Flappy Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 30 minutes ago, Crump99 said: Out of interest, how long you been going. The will we wont we has only really been an invention since 2013. Wasn't too much before then apart from David Hawkins and the usual Horton's distress signals, often of their own making. On the big issues I think that you can shout all you want but those in charge do as they see fit at the end of the day (but I agree that there isn't anything wrong with voicing your opinion anyway). Last decent team build from the start must have been 2006 & 07, probably due to Bratley/Andersen, and the latter half of 2013 when Sullivan shook it up. It has been a dog's dinner since the drop to the lower level unfortunately. I know not why! We usually end up realising where we went wrong before playing catch up but that may not be an option in 2018. Since 2003 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arson fire Posted February 22, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 17 hours ago, wheeliepanther said: Been following this forum for years on and off, I get dragged back in the off season with so little news going about I have to resort to the rumour mill of the forum, why I do I just don't understand. It pains me to read some of the dribble that gets spouted on here but for me what I've noticed more is just the lack of respect for the riders who time after time put themselves in danger for an ungrateful public which most have never sat on a bike let alone had a go, I'd assume any rider just won't waste their time reading this type of forum. My next problem is how do you sofa experts know for a fact that 'x' won't improve his average and 'y' was rubbish so they have no chance, who knows what any of them have done over the winter with investing in equipment and exercise to improve fitness, everyone is entitled to their opinion but why does it always have to be so negative on here, who would have thought that Leicester was going to win the premier or Wigan beat Man City the other day that's the beauty of sport that things happen, I guess people will just say that I'm a happy clapper, I don't care. Have some respect for these riders that entertain your ungrateful selves and try supporting your teams riders even if the management don't make the best decisions. Ill wait for the attack and abuse that will no doubt come from the usual. What a load of absolute horsesh!t!! so i will be the first one to bite. Riders this riders that? What about the fans?Where is the respect for them? Who without them there is no speedway!! Fans are treat with utter contempt the length and breadth of the country man, They are shafted for value for money in everyway imaginable yet still pay their monies, people are sick of paying over inflated prices to watch substandard racing on ill prepared tracks, with poxy made up rules and short handed teams. they are treat like mushrooms and drip fed information when it suits. If you pay your money you are entitled to an opinion both good and bad surely?? Speedway riders are not gods imo and to suggest they do it for our entertainment is both futile and ridiculous, if that was the case they would do it for free or basic expenses.... they dont and no one forces them to ride either... our armed forces, police force, fire fighters put themselves in danger for us ffs not bloody speedway riders!! You will be telling us jockeys are the same no doubt? Yes its a dangerous sport but its their choice to ride ours to watch. Speedway fans are far too passive in accepting sh!te and being told to be thankful like promoters, riders and the bspa are doing us a favor. Wake up and smell the coffee man because without or after this generation of fans there will be no speedway because society today wont accept or support the current shambles that is speedway in the UK. Ive been going to Newcastle for 40 years, it was a passion, it was part a massive part of my life it was a drug.. I loved it. Now i couldnt give a monkeys if i go or not... so where are the next lot of die hards coming from?? Who is going to stand up for the fans? Etc.. id rather voice my opinion and how i feel rather than sit apathetic creaming my self thinking a bloke in kevlars is a god or a hero... and told to be thankful!! Thankful for what?. Says something when you couldnt care a less about something you once lived for... and im not alone. 14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainlesssteelride Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, Arson fire said: What a load of absolute horsesh!t!! so i will be the first one to bite. Riders this riders that? What about the fans?Where is the respect for them? Who without them there is no speedway!! Fans are treat with utter contempt the length and breadth of the country man, They are shafted for value for money in everyway imaginable yet still pay their monies, people are sick of paying over inflated prices to watch substandard racing on ill prepared tracks, with poxy made up rules and short handed teams. they are treat like mushrooms and drip fed information when it suits. If you pay your money you are entitled to an opinion both good and bad surely?? Speedway riders are not gods imo and to suggest they do it for our entertainment is both futile and ridiculous, if that was the case they would do it for free or basic expenses.... they dont and no one forces them to ride either... our armed forces, police force, fire fighters put themselves in danger for us ffs not bloody speedway riders!! You will be telling us jockeys are the same no doubt? Yes its a dangerous sport but its their choice to ride ours to watch. Speedway fans are far too passive in accepting sh!te and being told to be thankful like promoters, riders and the bspa are doing us a favor. Wake up and smell the coffee man because without or after this generation of fans there will be no speedway because society today wont accept or support the current shambles that is speedway in the UK. Ive been going to Newcastle for 40 years, it was a passion, it was part a massive part of my life it was a drug.. I loved it. Now i couldnt give a monkeys if i go or not... so where are the next lot of die hards coming from?? Who is going to stand up for the fans? Etc.. id rather voice my opinion and how i feel rather than sit apathetic creaming my self thinking a bloke in kevlars is a god or a hero... and told to be thankful!! Thankful for what?. Says something when you couldnt care a less about something you once lived for... and im not alone. That's has got to be the best post I have ever read on this forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Flappy said: So happy clap? What's wrong with letting the powers that be know that fans aren't happy? Oh yeah because Ged is really going to panic and change the team when he hears that Flapper from the speedway forum thinks his team is s****!! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, Lukas said: Oh yeah because Ged is really going to panic and change the team when he hears that Flapper from the speedway forum thinks his team is s****!! Lol That's not my point though is it? It's not just me who thinks we consistently mess up when it comes to team building. In the act of fairness there are many things that this promotion are good at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 31 minutes ago, Stainlesssteelride said: That's has got to be the best post I have ever read on this forum. It was a good one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Arson fire said: What a load of absolute horsesh!t!! so i will be the first one to bite. Riders this riders that? What about the fans?Where is the respect for them? Who without them there is no speedway!! Fans are treat with utter contempt the length and breadth of the country man, They are shafted for value for money in everyway imaginable yet still pay their monies, people are sick of paying over inflated prices to watch substandard racing on ill prepared tracks, with poxy made up rules and short handed teams. they are treat like mushrooms and drip fed information when it suits. If you pay your money you are entitled to an opinion both good and bad surely?? Speedway riders are not gods imo and to suggest they do it for our entertainment is both futile and ridiculous, if that was the case they would do it for free or basic expenses.... they dont and no one forces them to ride either... our armed forces, police force, fire fighters put themselves in danger for us ffs not bloody speedway riders!! You will be telling us jockeys are the same no doubt? Yes its a dangerous sport but its their choice to ride ours to watch. Speedway fans are far too passive in accepting sh!te and being told to be thankful like promoters, riders and the bspa are doing us a favor. Wake up and smell the coffee man because without or after this generation of fans there will be no speedway because society today wont accept or support the current shambles that is speedway in the UK. Ive been going to Newcastle for 40 years, it was a passion, it was part a massive part of my life it was a drug.. I loved it. Now i couldnt give a monkeys if i go or not... so where are the next lot of die hards coming from?? Who is going to stand up for the fans? Etc.. id rather voice my opinion and how i feel rather than sit apathetic creaming my self thinking a bloke in kevlars is a god or a hero... and told to be thankful!! Thankful for what?. Says something when you couldnt care a less about something you once lived for... and im not alone. Sums the sport up nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainlesssteelride Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Happy clappers are one of the reasons why speedway is in such a state. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 I'm not happy with the state of the Panthers, the team has been in decline for a while now, even though Ged has taken over and brought a bit of stability back to the club, we are being stabilised to a poor standard. Clubs are improving and we are a bit stagnant at the moment. My issue is with people who with every single post can't find a good thing to say, what's the point, you've made your point, what's changed? Move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Panthers89 said: I'm not happy with the state of the Panthers, the team has been in decline for a while now, even though Ged has taken over and brought a bit of stability back to the club, we are being stabilised to a poor standard. Clubs are improving and we are a bit stagnant at the moment. My issue is with people who with every single post can't find a good thing to say, what's the point, you've made your point, what's changed? Move on. I agree to a point, however due to Holdergate last season it was another will they, won't they run winter. I just see it as a real opportunity missed not to kick on from the KOC win, we lost our best riders due to us not being in a position to tie them due to the above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 26 minutes ago, Panthers89 said: I'm not happy with the state of the Panthers, the team has been in decline for a while now, even though Ged has taken over and brought a bit of stability back to the club, we are being stabilised to a poor standard. Clubs are improving and we are a bit stagnant at the moment. My issue is with people who with every single post can't find a good thing to say, what's the point, you've made your point, what's changed? Move on. I feel the same as what you are saying , it's not going to get any better than what we've got for 2018 and we will have to make do with it , fans can moan as much as they like but it will not alter anything . Hopefully this will serve as a big learning curve for Ged and his management team for 2019. We need to start planning for 2019 before the end of 2018 . The Holder situation which created uncertainty about the clubs future being a major factor in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainlesssteelride Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Make do?? Or find something else to do with their money, I think a few will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Stainlesssteelride said: Make do?? Or find something else to do with their money, I think a few will. No,,, just gotta put up with it, there might not be much left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainlesssteelride Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 I ain't gotta put up with anything, never have and never will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Flappy said: I agree to a point, however due to Holdergate last season it was another will they, won't they run winter. I just see it as a real opportunity missed not to kick on from the KOC win, we lost our best riders due to us not being in a position to tie them due to the above. See, that I agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Carl Johnson told Panthers fans not to Panic on 28th January. Even he would surely allow us a panic or two now!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 32 minutes ago, Stainlesssteelride said: Make do?? Or find something else to do with their money, I think a few will. Simple choice really , either be prepared to accept it or finish up with no speedway. As I like the sport I am prepared to put up with this, everybody has the same choice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainlesssteelride Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) That's correct, some will choose not to accept it and do other things or maybe do nothing. And if the speedway goes they will again find other things to do or not. Some people are just speedway fans and for others it really is what they love and it's a big part of their life. I will not just accept it even if does mean a club has to close. Edited February 22, 2018 by Stainlesssteelride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 I stopped attending years ago but still have the club at heart having travelled the country from top to bottom for many seasons. Expectation with Panthers fans has always been high after being at the very top of the tree in 99 & 06 to some that expectation still exists to others realisation has kicked in bigtime. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloom89 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Anyone know what average Grondal is on? There is suggestions he is coming in on his PL average converted by 1.3 or has this already been mentioned? Apologies if it has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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