Bald Bloke Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Have another look at his/her user name and take a guess..... TBH I didn't notice.Well we can't all be in the top division Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 08/01/2018 at 10:09 PM, Agrotron said: Who is to say Vaculik will do well in UK at all, its going to be interesting to say the least. I think in this league with the standard of the opposition . He will do very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 10:09 PM, Agrotron said: Who is to say Vaculik will do well in UK at all, its going to be interesting to say the least. Except for Jason Doyle, Vaculik averaged more in the Ekstraliga than any other rider competing in Britain last year. More, even, than the all conquering Woryna who spent the year as a reserve for Rybnik. Guessing after NKI's injury he was second heat leader for Gorzow, behind Zmarzlik. 11th overall, on 8.14. Stats in Sweden less impressive, 18th overall on 6.92. But of those likely to compete in the Premiership again only Doyle is higher. Still averaged more than Holder, Lebedevs, Kildemand, Lindbäck, Jonsson, Sayfutdinov & Bjerre. Is there any evidence to suggest he won't adapt to British tracks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Col said: Except for Jason Doyle, Vaculik averaged more in the Ekstraliga than any other rider competing in Britain last year. More, even, than the all conquering Woryna who spent the year as a reserve for Rybnik. Guessing after NKI's injury he was second heat leader for Gorzow, behind Zmarzlik. 11th overall, on 8.14. Stats in Sweden less impressive, 18th overall on 6.92. But of those likely to compete in the Premiership again only Doyle is higher. Still averaged more than Holder, Lebedevs, Kildemand, Lindbäck, Jonsson, Sayfutdinov & Bjerre. Is there any evidence to suggest he won't adapt to British tracks? Also he was leading the World Championship at one time. He should be a nine. To anyone who thinks 8.00 is a fair assessment, put these riders in order of the standard that you think they are: Jacob Thorsell, Jason Doyle, Martin Vaculik, Freddie Lindgren, Nick Morris. I reckon there must have been some horse trading somewhere behind the scenes to get Vaculik reassessed, because there is no reason to think that the original assessment was incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 41 minutes ago, Grachan said: To anyone who thinks 8.00 is a fair assessment, put these riders in order of the standard that you think they are: Jacob Thorsell, Jason Doyle, Martin Vaculik, Freddie Lindgren, Nick Morris. Doyle, Lindgren, Vaculik, Morris, Thorsell. But then rank Chris Harris, Craig Cook, Danny King, Jack Holder, Josh Grajczonek, Nick Morris, Ricky Wells, Robert Lambert, Sam Masters & Steve Worrall in your head. I bet it nothing like they appear in the averages on http://www.speedway-stats.co.uk - they are the top ten from 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Congratulations to Leicester. They certainly have put together the strongest team so far. I think they will definitely give Poole (the second strongest) a run for their money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Col said: Doyle, Lindgren, Vaculik, Morris, Thorsell. But then rank Chris Harris, Craig Cook, Danny King, Jack Holder, Josh Grajczonek, Nick Morris, Ricky Wells, Robert Lambert, Sam Masters & Steve Worrall in your head. I bet it nothing like they appear in the averages on http://www.speedway-stats.co.uk - they are the top ten from 2017. They aren't being assessed. It's about taking a rider without an average and putting him where he should be. My own assessment is the same as yours. Most people's would be. The only possible change might be swapping Lindgren and Vaculik round. He's a nine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 12 hours ago, proud panther said: Would love to see Leicester win the league next season, Damien Bates has done a brilliant job turning the club round. Plus Kings Lynn to finish bottom lol. Its so much easier being a big fish in a smaller pond.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 12 hours ago, proud panther said: Would love to see Leicester win the league next season, Damien Bates has done a brilliant job turning the club round. Plus Kings Lynn to finish bottom lol. Winning the league in this sport isn't all it's cracked up to be. It just leads to a feeling of disappointment afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Grachan said: They aren't being assessed. It's about taking a rider without an average and putting him where he should be. My own assessment is the same as yours. Most people's would be. The only possible change might be swapping Lindgren and Vaculik round. He's a nine. Lindgren was ranked higher in the GPs than Vaculik, despite missing the last two rounds. Vaculik averaged 0.6 higher in Ekstraliga, Lindgren averaged 0.9 higher in Elitserien. If you were to ask me who would average the most in the UK next year if both were here, I'd bet heavily on Lindgren. Edited January 10, 2018 by Col 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Col said: Lindgren was ranked higher in the GPs than Vaculik, despite missing the last two rounds. Vaculik averaged 0.6 higher in Ekstraliga, Lindgren averaged 0.9 higher in Elitserien. If you were to ask me who would average the most in the UK next year if both were here, I'd bet heavily on Lindgren. Me too. I just thought that that might be the only contentious position in the order. But the order is pretty logical to me. Doyle (9.69), Lindgren (9.29), Vaculik, Morris (8.87), Thorsell (8.64). Yet Vaculik is assessed as being below Morris and Thorsell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 56 minutes ago, MattK said: Congratulations to Leicester. They certainly have put together the strongest team so far. I think they will definitely give Poole (the second strongest) a run for their money. Poole do have Woryna in on 4.65 which is his 2016 average when riding for Coventry. 2 seasons later he is now a much better rider and will surely improve his average considerably. Likewise Szczepaniak is in on presumably an old out of date average and what I have seen of him lately he will also surely add a few points to his starting average of 4.54. Typical shrewd thinking by Mr Ford yet again. Poole will do alright methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Grachan said: Me too. I just thought that that might be the only contentious position in the order. But the order is pretty logical to me. Doyle (9.69), Lindgren (9.29), Vaculik, Morris (8.87), Thorsell (8.64). Yet Vaculik is assessed as being below Morris and Thorsell. I get what your saying but he has never rode over here. I would say Morris and Thorssell are only marginally behind Vaculik anyway but in the UK next season it will be close. Splitting hairs i would have said 8.50 would be fair....but then riders pf the calibre of Zagar and Tai never achieved 8.50 last time they were here and they are better riders than Vaculik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, Gavan said: I get what your saying but he has never rode over here. I would say Morris and Thorssell are only marginally behind Vaculik anyway but in the UK next season it will be close. Splitting hairs i would have said 8.50 would be fair....but then riders pf the calibre of Zagar and Tai never achieved 8.50 last time they were here and they are better riders than Vaculik Indeed. An assessed new foreign rider is always a gamble. 1 hour ago, Grachan said: Winning the league in this sport isn't all it's cracked up to be. It just leads to a feeling of disappointment afterwards. Try winning the Championship in Football. Promotion to the Premier League, then the clubs only ambition for their tenure in the top flight is not being one of the worst 3 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 17 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: Why Lynn bottom Because Chapman has stitched Panthers up on more than 1 occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Col said: Indeed. An assessed new foreign rider is always a gamble. Try winning the Championship in Football. Promotion to the Premier League, then the clubs only ambition for their tenure in the top flight is not being one of the worst 3 teams. I do think that it is less of a gamble with Vaculik, I think he will be suited to our tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 hours ago, g13webb said: Its so much easier being a big fish in a smaller pond.... Big fish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: I do think that it is less of a gamble with Vaculik, I think he will be suited to our tracks. It is far from a massive gamble, but I imagine his scores will be somewhat inconsistent for the first month or two. Some tracks will obviously come more naturally to him than others. The big thing for me is, having someone of the quality & experience of Andersen alongside Vaculik & Pieszczek in the pits to offer advice. King also. Edited January 10, 2018 by Col 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 17 hours ago, Col said: It is far from a massive gamble, but I imagine his scores will be somewhat inconsistent for the first month or two. Some tracks will obviously come more naturally to him than others. The big thing for me is, having someone of the quality & experience of Andersen alongside Vaculik & Pieszczek in the pits to offer advice. King also. Hans is a major plus for them, as Middlo said he won't increase his average much if at all but he is experienced, was a great captain for Poole and his help in the pits is invaluable, a major miss for Poole and a major plus for Leicester, good luck to him and the team, I am sure Leicester supporters will be excited by the team and they look like title contenders to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 On 10/01/2018 at 11:24 AM, Barrow Boy 2 said: Poole do have Woryna in on 4.65 which is his 2016 average when riding for Coventry. 2 seasons later he is now a much better rider and will surely improve his average considerably. Likewise Szczepaniak is in on presumably an old out of date average and what I have seen of him lately he will also surely add a few points to his starting average of 4.54. Typical shrewd thinking by Mr Ford yet again. Poole will do alright methinks. So will you guys. Best 2 teams on paper so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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