DC2 Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, GoldenGauntlet said: Just Bjerre. I wouldn't have dropped Pieszczek based on his performances (although his form had dipped recently), but I can understand that they wanted more strength at reserve so had to make another change. As for investing in riders in the hope that they stay for 5 years, good luck with that - there is little loyalty on either side in British speedway these days. Agreed, but there are some good examples of loyalty, Morris at Swindon, Cook and Fricke at Belle Vue and Thorsell at Wolves. All of those clubs have tried to be loyal to a number of riders. That’s the way it should be to establish a brand that can be marketed and followed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 Some of the team changes that have just been made at Leicester are just because of averages not fitting for example James Sargeant he would have been kept instead of Mountain but his average is too high. From what I have heard the rationale behind KP going to be replaced by Auty is the amount of away meetings to be completed where it is believed Auty will score . Another consideration was if the club had not replaced Krystian today and he rode at Swindon his average would have gone up as his official average would be higher than his current assessed one due to some previous high scores at home. With Bjere his performance has not been up to the expectations especially in the big heat 13 and 15 situations. The changes may not work but after the last two meetings they needed to try something 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Grachan said: Completely bizarre. Whatever happened to having a team of riders the fans could relate to? And to think that this is the club who once went an entire season using the same 7 riders in every match. Blimey Grachan how far back are you going ~ 50 years? I for one am really pleased with the changes as Kenneth Bjerre didn't seem interested unless he gated, the Pole started off really well but has gone downhill since then, Todd Kurtz was poor even riding at reserve and James Sarjeant ~ well what can you say about James except he could be expected to touch the tapes or break them at some point during a match. ......SteveO..................Edit - so only Hans Andersen left. That is shocking and not good for fans surely. On the contrary I think it IS good for the fans because no-one wants to watch their team keep losing at home. 38 - 52 to bottom of the league Kings Lynn was the shocking thing so I am pleased there have been changes to the team. Edited July 18, 2018 by Gemini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 Four changes in one go, is that a record? Hate to see the lack of rider continuity like most people, but credit to the management for their swift attempt to stop the slide (no pun intended). As poor as the recent form of the axed riders was, I do not think that the team is now any stronger with the Rye House refugees. The reserve pairing appears to have more clout, but it is unlikely that they would be utilised beyond their allocated programmed rides to run up double figure returns. For some time now we have entered the last three heats of meetings with scores tight (often after squandering decent leads) and have lacked firepower, even at home, in heats 13 & 15. I still see us struggling at the business end of the meeting. Hopefully Wells will now move away from the No.2 berth where rides are finished after heat 10 (home) or 11 (away) and he will be involved in heat 14. Hats off for the management's efforts to address the situation and I hope I'm proved wrong in thinking its changes for changes sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundinfan Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 Nice to see five ex Bees riders, one current Bees rider and Charles Wright making up a Leicester team. ,you could say two Coventry teams now ride at Baumont Park. Wonder what the stay away Bees fans will make of that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) Quote Nice to see five ex Bees riders, one current Bees rider and Charles Wright making up a Leicester team. I wondered why I liked this new team so much. The stay away Bees fans though will still stay away from the NL matches because it seems to be the promoter they object to and they aren't interested in 'lower league racing' 20 or so miles away anyway. Might be a few more making the trip for the PL matches though ~ work permitting. Edited July 18, 2018 by Gemini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 9 hours ago, The Observer said: One remaining rider from the start of the season, only one word necessary and that's ruthless. I personally think it's tough on Kristian but I totally get it given his dramatic loss in form & confidence. Scott Nichols always gives 100% and in bringing in Josh and Connor (great to see him given a chance) you've got two riders bang in form and should prove a much stronger reserve pairing. I wish Stuart Robson well, but I'm not convinced he's a number 2 but let's hope I'm proven wrong. Just one other point, Leicester from all accounts are slowly changing the track surface through adding more shale, is that going to best suit their new line-up or their opponents, because if they have riders who prefer it slick then surely they're handing the advantage to their opposition? Is Auty at reserve? i thought he was a replacement for Kristian? his converted Champ average is 6.03. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Seems strange if Leicester is so gate & go to sign the likes of Nicholls, Robson & Auty who can't gate for toffee. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 9 hours ago, flagrag said: With Bjere his performance has not been up to the expectations especially in the big heat 13 and 15 situations. We had very much the same situation with KB the season before last ( at King's Lynn ) when if he did not gate he seemed to lose interest ( or confidence ) which resulted in a lot of disappointment on the terraces. As the season wore on he regularly failed to hold on to his scoring position even when he did gate. It looked as if the same kind of problem was developing at Leicester. The difference is that the KL promotion let him retain his team place throughout the season. The fans lost all enthusiasm for him. Mind you he moved on to Belle Vue and had a cracking season. Quite what is behind such slumps only he knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 10 hours ago, proud panther said: Looks like a Championship team to me. Ahhhh bit like the other 6 then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Steve0 said: Is anyone left from the original 1-7? Edit - so only Hans Andersen left. That is shocking and not good for fans surely. It shows ambition but at what cost? Time will tell. This is a symptom of the play-off system that British Speedway currently runs, when there's 4 spots available in a league of 7/8 teams most if not all clubs seasons are still alive until the final 6 weeks or so of the season... when in the good/bad old days before play-offs, if you started the season off poorly, that was your season pretty much done. These days we're told that a club has had a successful season if they've reached the play-offs and have only been 4 matches off of a league title Edited July 19, 2018 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 I get the feeling some Swindon fan's are a bit sour as they thought at least a couple of Leicester's new boys were on the way to them. Complaining about changes and wanted 2-3 changes in their own team. Rules are rules and I certainly congratulate Leicester for employing 4 Brits with 3 foreigners out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: I get the feeling some Swindon fan's are a bit sour as they thought at least a couple of Leicester's new boys were on the way to them. Complaining about changes and wanted 2-3 changes in their own team. Rules are rules and I certainly congratulate Leicester for employing 4 Brits with 3 foreigners out Really? Check the Swindon thread. No one wanted Nicholls and Auty was suggested unenthusiastically only as a possible replacement for the injured Bellego. Mountain was mentioned to replace Smith but only on the strength of one match and before his average was checked! Leicester are welcome to their journeymen signings. Hopefully Swindon will stand by their team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, DC2 said: Really? Check the Swindon thread. No one wanted Nicholls and Auty was suggested unenthusiastically only as a possible replacement for the injured Bellego. Mountain was mentioned to replace Smith but only on the strength of one match and before his average was checked! Leicester are welcome to their journeymen signings. Hopefully Swindon will stand by their team. I don't know why Nicholls wasn't by Swindon wanted he is in pretty good form at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DC2 said: Really? Check the Swindon thread. No one wanted Nicholls and Auty was suggested unenthusiastically only as a possible replacement for the injured Bellego. Mountain was mentioned to replace Smith but only on the strength of one match and before his average was checked! Leicester are welcome to their journeymen signings. Hopefully Swindon will stand by their team. We all hope Swindon stand by their team!! Hans was said to be a journeyman signing, he isn't too bad is he! Edited July 19, 2018 by foreverblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, foreverblue said: We all hope Swindon stand by their team!! Hans was said to be a journeyman signing, he isn't too bad is he! That’s the problem. You’re judging him on results rather than on whether he’s a Leicester rider through and through. It’s your Poole mentality of taking anyone any year, whether they be journeymen or one season wonders, as long as you win, rather than sticking by riders and building a Poole brand. Swindon picked Leigh Adams every year, you chopped and changed Chris Holder until he gave up on you. Now look what you’re left with, a right rag bag assortment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, DC2 said: That’s the problem. You’re judging him on results rather than on whether he’s a Leicester rider through and through. It’s your Poole mentality of taking anyone any year, whether they be journeymen or one season wonders, as long as you win, rather than sticking by riders and building a Poole brand. Swindon picked Leigh Adams every year, you chopped and changed Chris Holder until he gave up on you. Now look what you’re left with, a right rag bag assortment. How ironic, Jason Doyle springs to mind when loyalty is mentioned! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Odds On said: How ironic, Jason Doyle springs to mind when loyalty is mentioned! Yes and no. We stayed loyal to Nick Morris who’s been with us longer as we had to choose only one 8 point rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, DC2 said: That’s the problem. You’re judging him on results rather than on whether he’s a Leicester rider through and through. It’s your Poole mentality of taking anyone any year, whether they be journeymen or one season wonders, as long as you win, rather than sticking by riders and building a Poole brand. Swindon picked Leigh Adams every year, you chopped and changed Chris Holder until he gave up on you. Now look what you’re left with, a right rag bag assortment. Chris holder didn't give up on us. I think you will find a successful team is built on results not misplaced loyalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, foreverblue said: Chris holder didn't give up on us. I think you will find a successful team is built on results not misplaced loyalty. Successful team (one season), yes; successful club (many seasons), no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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