4thbender Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Ahead of the annual promoters' meeting, at which all the important decisions are made, now is the time for us - the paying punters - to tell them what we want to see changed. League structures, doubling-up, guest riders and tactical rides are all high on the agenda, but what smaller (less controversial) issues might we want to see changed? My personal pet hate is watching riders spend minutes prior to every race digging away at the start-line with their steel shoes. This has only crept into speedway in the last few years - it never happened back in the day. They'll be arming themselves with shovels next! Track curators should be given the responsibility of paying special attention between races to ensuring that the start-line is firm. flat and with a good covering of dirt, offering no advantage to any of the start positions. The practice of riders carrying out their own 'gardening' should thereafter be outlawed, with a 15 metre penalty for first offences and disqualification thereafter. What blights might others like to see removed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Opening pit gates for stoppages due to tape infringements, just wave the riders round. 2 minutes on striaght away. Dont mind pit gates opening if there has been a crash and rider needs to sort himself out or his bike. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) the warning system is overly used and spoiling some meetings the 2 pointer rule has in large been hard for some teams whIli the odd 1 or 2 its worked out really well while im not aganst doubling up things need to be looked at no way should riders ride in all 3 leagues especially for the same clubs like dan bewlley and jack smith did its just to hard filling in for them when dates clash or 5 or 6 meetings in a row Edited October 1, 2017 by scarra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tyretrax Posted October 1, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Stop penalizing riders for making the gate. Touch the tapes and you're out. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Nearly everything 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaniaman Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 how about six man teams with a extra to cover injuries referees getting the starts right.its obvious the riders are sitting still to enable him to release the tapes so therefore if they are still he releases tapes so how can there be unsatisfactory starts stop the doubling up 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Opening pit gates for stoppages due to tape infringements, just wave the riders round. 2 minutes on striaght away. Dont mind pit gates opening if there has been a crash and rider needs to sort himself out or his bike. Don't have 2 mins for tape infringements as that still gives time for faffing about. 30 seconds max 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Change my mind ,and do something else with my money.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Doubling up restricted to two riders, one of whom must be British In preparation for restricting EU nationals in 18 months, establish a strategic policy of attracting riders from Australia and NZ, removing the minimum entry criteria and allowing them to race in the NL. That way they can ride at home during our winter, come here in the summer, riding regularly against a higher standard of rider and become better riders who can increase the pool of available riders in our league. They speak our language, are culturally similar and dont run off home at every opportunity for nothing meetings. Occasionally like a whinge but I can see past that. Might also extend to the USA. Two minute warning is ready to race at the tapes not trundling round at their own pace Tapes infringements without exclusion should be a 1 minute warning again ready to race at the tapes Riders with two on the trot should get an additional 2 minutes only then standard 2 minutes on Warnings given to riders for jumping should carry forward resulting in exclusion if they do it again just like GP's Additional training given to referees to consistently apply the rules and establish best practice (Dishington to be re-trained at the first opportunity) Minimum entry level to our league is 3.00 - nowhere near enough successes at 2.00 to justify continuing with it. Its just watering down and cost cutting! Guests bookings and r/r should reflect a riders home or away average e.g. a Sedgmen on 6.5 but who's actual home average is 8 and away average is 5 should only get a guest or r/r up to 5 on the road and his equivalent at home - too much piss taking and its a grossly unfair advantage even though everyone uses it Teams should ride every week on their race night with rain offs to be run on their alternative night Visiting teams subject to a rain off should be offered three dates then via a Management Committee mechanism told what the date is should they decline all three Drawn meetings in the KOC should go to golden heats or countback and be dealt with that night. This year has been a farce. Some BSPA shared events to be run on Bank Holiday Mondays and weekdays during summer holidays. Weekend clubs are already disadvantaged by the Cardiff GP, World Cup etc. Reintroduce the Premier Trophy - its too long a season with only 10 teams to play everyone twice when by June you could clearly see the play off contenders and strugglers Playoffs to be six teams and not four Make better use of the NSS as a training facility Non serious injuries requiring a visit to hospital but not an ambulance should result in riders being driven to A&E not delivered by the track ambulance and creating unnecessary delays (I did say non serious). Rider sick notes to be for a minimum of 7 days regardless of the reason, to stop the picking and choosing free for all Bring in a range of rules to restore the balance of power back from riders. Whilst no riders means no clubs, no customers means no riders are required. We seem to have lost perspective that speedway is there to entertain the paying punter who also has plenty of other options for their dollar. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Don't have 2 mins for tape infringements as that still gives time for faffing about. 30 seconds max Depends how long it takes to fix the tapes though! I know a few tracks that take an age to put another set of tapes on! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Depends how long it takes to fix the tapes though! I know a few tracks that take an age to put another set of tapes on! but if tapes arnt broken i agree it should be only 1 min for rerun also a 2 mins clock should be displayed at all tracks to stop refs being biassed 1 way or the other we had 30 seconed warning at workington and after about 15 secs tops the yellow light was switched off and jim mcregor was flashing the green lights also a maximum period inbetween ht 14 and announcing line up for ht 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Depends how long it takes to fix the tapes though! I know a few tracks that take an age to put another set of tapes on! I only meant for a jump start, tapes breaks are obviously different, but once tapes are fixed you get 30 seconds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Doubling up restricted to two riders, one of whom must be British In preparation for restricting EU nationals in 18 months, establish a strategic policy of attracting riders from Australia and NZ, removing the minimum entry criteria and allowing them to race in the NL. That way they can ride at home during our winter, come here in the summer, riding regularly against a higher standard of rider and become better riders who can increase the pool of available riders in our league. They speak our language, are culturally similar and dont run off home at every opportunity for nothing meetings. Occasionally like a whinge but I can see past that. Might also extend to the USA. Two minute warning is ready to race at the tapes not trundling round at their own pace Tapes infringements without exclusion should be a 1 minute warning again ready to race at the tapes Riders with two on the trot should get an additional 2 minutes only then standard 2 minutes on Warnings given to riders for jumping should carry forward resulting in exclusion if they do it again just like GP's Additional training given to referees to consistently apply the rules and establish best practice (Dishington to be re-trained at the first opportunity) Minimum entry level to our league is 3.00 - nowhere near enough successes at 2.00 to justify continuing with it. Its just watering down and cost cutting! Guests bookings and r/r should reflect a riders home or away average e.g. a Sedgmen on 6.5 but who's actual home average is 8 and away average is 5 should only get a guest or r/r up to 5 on the road and his equivalent at home - too much piss taking and its a grossly unfair advantage even though everyone uses it Teams should ride every week on their race night with rain offs to be run on their alternative night Visiting teams subject to a rain off should be offered three dates then via a Management Committee mechanism told what the date is should they decline all three Drawn meetings in the KOC should go to golden heats or countback and be dealt with that night. This year has been a farce. Some BSPA shared events to be run on Bank Holiday Mondays and weekdays during summer holidays. Weekend clubs are already disadvantaged by the Cardiff GP, World Cup etc. Reintroduce the Premier Trophy - its too long a season with only 10 teams to play everyone twice when by June you could clearly see the play off contenders and strugglers Playoffs to be six teams and not four Make better use of the NSS as a training facility Non serious injuries requiring a visit to hospital but not an ambulance should result in riders being driven to A&E not delivered by the track ambulance and creating unnecessary delays (I did say non serious). Rider sick notes to be for a minimum of 7 days regardless of the reason, to stop the picking and choosing free for all Bring in a range of rules to restore the balance of power back from riders. Whilst no riders means no clubs, no customers means no riders are required. We seem to have lost perspective that speedway is there to entertain the paying punter who also has plenty of other options for their dollar. Hate to say this but I agree with virtually all these points even though they are from a weegie!! I especially agree about the lads from Oz. They have been great for the Scottish clubs over the years because they are willing to ride up there. Too many of the southerners won't make the trip. Need a bit more clarification on the double uppers though. A number of those are first committed to and are assets of team A who may then are signed by team B. Can't penalose team A for that so I assume you stop them doubling up if 2 in team A are already doubling up? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 My personal pet hate is watching riders spend minutes prior to every race digging away at the start-line with their steel shoes. This has only crept into speedway in the last few years The practice of riders carrying out their own 'gardening' should thereafter be outlawed, with a 15 metre penalty for first offences and disqualification thereafter. Has only crept into speedway in the last few years?? You're kidding me!! Its been going on for at least 30 years. I do agree that it should be outlawed and I agree with your proposed penalties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Been through this many times in the past............................ Presentation, prompt start times, better music, twisted rules, politics in the sport, double up/down/backwards/forwards and return, starting rules, gaps in the fixture list then scrabble to get fixtures run in late sept/Oct, riders missing for many reasons including riding in the Latvian junior u21 but only on a Sunday but if its rained off you can have guest rider plus or minus 9.72224 average. I could go on ...., im sure i have missed something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) Ged Rathbone running the sport....... Edited October 1, 2017 by Flappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paulco Posted October 1, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 For the promoters to actually think about what they're doing and consider all the possible scenarios of any alteration . Clubs not being able to sign anyone after 31st July being the perfect example of a reasonably good idea spoiled by no consideration given to clubs being decimated by injury after that date . 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) Additional training given to referees to consistently apply the rules and establish best practice (Dishington to be re-trained at the first opportunity) Agree with most of your points, including the one quoted above. Only minor grumble I have is your wording of "Re" training would suggest that Mr Dishington has either previously received training or that on said initial training he attained a competent standard in the first place, either of which premise I greatly doubt. Edited October 1, 2017 by justere2cgoodspeedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Agree with most of your points, including the one quoted above. Only minor grumble I have is your wording of "Re" training would suggest that Mr Dishington has either previously received training or that on said initial training he attained a competent standard in the first place, either of which premise I greatly doubt. He trained beside the Grand Monarch for much of his apprenticeship . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 He trained beside the Grand Monarch for much of his apprenticeship . Well that does explain a lot!! Time both of them were weeded out!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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