alang Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Now that the season starts with league cup section is it still 2 home and 2 away league matches against the others in the league or is it back to 1 home and 1 away.Could make for a short season or lots of blank Saturdays if only 13 matches (or 11 if no Workington)With the new starting rules and no penalties unless tapes broken does it mean best to go with team of gaters rather than racers (?TJ and dare I say it-Claus) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Depends if you want to be a winner I suppose  Let's be realistic. Berwick Bandits have survived a full fifty seasons without winning their Championship-level division.  Putting on cheerful entertainment on a Saturday night, and winning the home meetings satisfies 95% of their public, year on year.  The other 5% seem to post on here! With the new starting rules and no penalties unless tapes broken does it mean best to go with team of gaters rather than racers?  That rule hasn't been accepted at SCB level yet. They control the rule-book for the actual staging of races. BSPA conference can make requests and even recommendations -- but this won't be the first suggested change we might see quietly dropped.  As GP will continue with yellow-card warnings, it becomes awkward and confusing to run races to differing sets of rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Let's be realistic. Berwick Bandits have survived a full fifty seasons without winning their Championship-level division. Â Putting on cheerful entertainment on a Saturday night, and winning the home meetings satisfies 95% of their public, year on year. Â The other 5% seem to post on here! Â That rule hasn't been accepted at SCB level yet. They control the rule-book for the actual staging of races. BSPA conference can make requests and even recommendations -- but this won't be the first suggested change we might see quietly dropped. Â As GP will continue with yellow-card warnings, it becomes awkward and confusing to run races to differing sets of rules. Â your forgetting about the 50% that don't attend anymore.!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Â Let's be realistic. Berwick Bandits have survived a full fifty seasons without winning their Championship-level division. Â Putting on cheerful entertainment on a Saturday night, and winning the home meetings satisfies 95% of their public, year on year. Â The other 5% seem to post on here! Â That rule hasn't been accepted at SCB level yet. They control the rule-book for the actual staging of races. BSPA conference can make requests and even recommendations -- but this won't be the first suggested change we might see quietly dropped. Â As GP will continue with yellow-card warnings, it becomes awkward and confusing to run races to differing sets of rules. Would not say 95% of the supporters near where i sit or stand considerably a lot less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just trying to make everyone think that they are out of the ordinary for wanting to win the league who would want that eh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Surprised no one including joe Jacobs in any teams...was improving somewhat by he end of his short stint with you, surely good value on a 4.67....decent rider on big fast tracks I guess i don't see him getting a lot of improvement on that average! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnstormer Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 A change of track often helps a rider. Summers may not be everyone idea but he still an 8 point rider and would make decent back up to a good number 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 A change of track often helps a rider. Summers may not be everyone idea but he still an 8 point rider and would make decent back up to a good number 1 Aaron suffered from bike problems after the Berwick away match and couldn't get back to where he had been despite even getting his tuner over from Poland. He also didn't get a double up slot which limited his earnings I'd have him back at Glasgow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) Just trying to make everyone think that they are out of the ordinary for wanting to win the league who would want that eh   Exactly, so terrible wanting to win. Edited November 21, 2017 by emilali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) It won't happen but I would. Have liked to see TJ back,think it was a mistake to leave him out last season. Edited November 21, 2017 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Aaron suffered from bike problems after the Berwick away match and couldn't get back to where he had been despite even getting his tuner over from Poland. He also didn't get a double up slot which limited his earnings I'd have him back at Glasgow. That Berwick match was in the middle of July. Thats half a season he was pretty woeful for. We got the full repertoire of clutch, setups, tuner etc but nothing changed. A change of scene would be refreshing for all. The points limit of 42.5 may have increased his choice of clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 I guess i don't see him getting a lot of improvement on that average! Perhaps but has averaged into the 5 and a half range previously, decent no.2 and a strong reserve! Plenty of people putting Doolan in potential lineups for you....cant see any improvement there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Genuine question, would crowd levels go up significantly if Berwick were, say challenging for the league? I was trying to think back to the more successful seasons of late. Three / four years ago Berwick made the playoffs. Then there was 2005 when we finished second. There have been a couple of cup finals, one in particular on a ploughed field against Workington, the other against Rye House. I honestly can't remember if crowd levels went up significantly during those seasons, or for those finals. Crowd levels held up well last season, despite ending up bottom. There is a core of fans who will go anyway, for the entertainment, for the night out with friends, for the racing, whatever. Can the club afford a successful team? Success normally costs, would the potential extra fans cover the cost? Don't take this as a defeatist attitude, I would love to see Berwick challenging for honours. I just wonder if the club would have to mortgaged to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Genuine question, would crowd levels go up significantly if Berwick were, say challenging for the league? I was trying to think back to the more successful seasons of late. Three / four years ago Berwick made the playoffs. Then there was 2005 when we finished second. There have been a couple of cup finals, one in particular on a ploughed field against Workington, the other against Rye House. I honestly can't remember if crowd levels went up significantly during those seasons, or for those finals. Crowd levels held up well last season, despite ending up bottom. There is a core of fans who will go anyway, for the entertainment, for the night out with friends, for the racing, whatever. Can the club afford a successful team? Success normally costs, would the potential extra fans cover the cost? Don't take this as a defeatist attitude, I would love to see Berwick challenging for honours. I just wonder if the club would have to mortgaged to get there. In present climate in the sport don't think the crowd levels would rise significantly ,but based on recent seasons there is always more fans attend at start of new season(as At most tracks) but drops off after afew weeks,if we had a successful team challenging for honours the levels may hold up better IMO .If word gets round it may attract a few fans back.As for affording a successful Team fans don't know the costs so how can we judge? Everything is rumour regarding club and rider running costs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Â Let's be realistic. Berwick Bandits have survived a full fifty seasons without winning their Championship-level division. Â Putting on cheerful entertainment on a Saturday night, and winning the home meetings satisfies 95% of their public, year on year. Â The other 5% seem to post on here! Â That rule hasn't been accepted at SCB level yet. They control the rule-book for the actual staging of races. BSPA conference can make requests and even recommendations -- but this won't be the first suggested change we might see quietly dropped. Â As GP will continue with yellow-card warnings, it becomes awkward and confusing to run races to differing sets of rules. You in the 5% Dick. Old club with new owners, time to think differently than the past. In my book you should never look backwards only forwards, those people who remember the Old Days need locking up or a put out of their misery. Onwards and upwards A change of track often helps a rider. Summers may not be everyone idea but he still an 8 point rider and would make decent back up to a good number 1 Just dont see him increasing that average, a No 1 who holds is average is OK the rest must increase Genuine question, would crowd levels go up significantly if Berwick were, say challenging for the league? I was trying to think back to the more successful seasons of late. Three / four years ago Berwick made the playoffs. Then there was 2005 when we finished second. There have been a couple of cup finals, one in particular on a ploughed field against Workington, the other against Rye House. I honestly can't remember if crowd levels went up significantly during those seasons, or for those finals. Crowd levels held up well last season, despite ending up bottom. There is a core of fans who will go anyway, for the entertainment, for the night out with friends, for the racing, whatever. Can the club afford a successful team? Success normally costs, would the potential extra fans cover the cost? Don't take this as a defeatist attitude, I would love to see Berwick challenging for honours. I just wonder if the club would have to mortgaged to get there. Crowd levels started well last season with the enthusiasm of new owners, but was pretty poor for the 2nd half of the season, sponsorship sustained the club more than crowd levels. A lot of old die hards have gone or even died off, free entry for young ones is good, but it is yet to be proven whether they will convert into paying fans when they are old enough. In present climate in the sport don't think the crowd levels would rise significantly ,but based on recent seasons there is always more fans attend at start of new season(as At most tracks) but drops off after afew weeks,if we had a successful team challenging for honours the levels may hold up better IMO .If word gets round it may attract a few fans back.As for affording a successful Team fans don't know the costs so how can we judge? Everything is rumour regarding club and rider running costs. Think you are right , if a team can be assembled that can challenge will keep fans happy ish, Berwick unlike Glasgow cannot afford to buy a team to challenge. It should however have the knowledge to assemble a challenging team, I hope they do not surround themselves with old pals within speedway, good management decisions will be needed, no loyalty when you are running a business 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaky11 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Interestingly it seems they have done away with the 2pt reserves, minimum is a 3 now, would You still take JPB on a 3 point average at Berwick ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Interestingly it seems they have done away with the 2pt reserves, minimum is a 3 now, would You still take JPB on a 3 point average at Berwick ? Looking at the 2s & 3s available, he has as much chance as those that are available, so YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king junior Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Interestingly it seems they have done away with the 2pt reserves, minimum is a 3 now, would You still take JPB on a 3 point average at Berwick ? Where's this been said? Can't see anything about it on the bspa site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) Where's this been said? Can't see anything about it on the bspa site. Hes only asking would I consider JPB, not that he has signed  Or did you mean the 2 pt average rider Edited November 23, 2017 by balderdash&piffle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Good to see the unlucky Ryan Blacklock given the all clear to start riding again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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