concessionscol Posted August 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 no ben no bobby no speedway no party mmmmmmmmm no col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRackBandit Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, crescent girl said: Could they have dropped the Pole and still brought in Mark Riss, though? Aye but Wroclaw be boiling eh Edited August 3, 2018 by Figureof8heed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concessionscol Posted August 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 On 8/3/2018 at 10:49 PM, Figureof8heed said: Aye but Wroclaw be boiling eh mmmmmm very nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 On 8/3/2018 at 10:49 PM, Figureof8heed said: Aye but Wroclaw be boiling eh Surely Polish clubs cannot complain about loyalty to riders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Good to see David getting another guest booking for Leicester after his 10 points on Monday night for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 Discuss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 hour ago, crescent girl said: Discuss? Support comes via the fan paying at the gate surely, plus businesses like mine paying for advertising which I class as a donation to the club. Get the gate up with good quality entertainment and the business should pay for itself 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 You know as well as anyone B&P that almost all modern sports clubs survive thanks to injections of cash from areas other than attendance and sponsorship. Seems perfectly reasonable to offer a conduit for those who wish to get involved over and above admission fees - one that they didn't have in Berwick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 29 minutes ago, George Dodds said: You know as well as anyone B&P that almost all modern sports clubs survive thanks to injections of cash from areas other than attendance and sponsorship. Seems perfectly reasonable to offer a conduit for those who wish to get involved over and above admission fees - one that they didn't have in Berwick. I can only think with my business head, charity starts at home for me Direct sponsorship yes, advertising yes, attendance yes. wouldn't it be great if someone ran a car boot sale and gave the proceeds to me to support my business, because I had got my business structure wrong. If the sport of speedway is based on being propped up by the hard pressed supporter , then the only conclusion is the sport is flawed and is doomed to fail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 48 minutes ago, balderdash&piffle said: I can only think with my business head, charity starts at home for me Direct sponsorship yes, advertising yes, attendance yes. wouldn't it be great if someone ran a car boot sale and gave the proceeds to me to support my business, because I had got my business structure wrong. If the sport of speedway is based on being propped up by the hard pressed supporter , then the only conclusion is the sport is flawed and is doomed to fail. All sport is propped up by something extraneous - football by TV rights, rugby and cricket by TV rights and redistribution of profits from international games, most other sports by wealthy owners or support mechanisms. No sport is run as a business - even the monster that is football features hugely indebted clubs as they fail to balance the books. But I do promise that if the bottom ever falls out of your market I'll be the first to organise a tray bake and coffee morning to make sure you're never short of beard dye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 hours ago, balderdash&piffle said: Support comes via the fan paying at the gate surely, plus businesses like mine paying for advertising which I class as a donation to the club. Get the gate up with good quality entertainment and the business should pay for itself Support it or lose it is my motto. The club are not badgering people for money for it to survive, and i cannot see anything wrong with anyone making a donation should they wish to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, penchev said: Support it or lose it is my motto. The club are not badgering people for money for it to survive, and i cannot see anything wrong with anyone making a donation should they wish to do so. Just being a pragmatist, I see a need for fund raising in specific areas of need, the Cancer Cars need donations to help cancer victims, the Air Ambulance need donations to help save lives and so on. Speedway is an entertainment provision where the entertainment is disappearing, the way forward is to provide entertainment that the public are willing to pay for, they gates will improve and will pay for itself. This format is asking fans to prop up the sport because of it's own failure, hence perpetuating the poor entertainment that is provided. As you say use it or lose it, the answer is USE IT. Sort out the structure, reduce the running costs for riders, this will result in lowering overpaid point money, the gate money is already overpriced for the entertainment provided probably worth £10 a meeting. If fans want to donate, so be it, I already do via heat sponsorship and rider sponsorship, most fans are not in my situation, simply they cannot afford it. IMPROVE THE PRODUCT, TO IMPROVE THE GATE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 6 hours ago, crescent girl said: Discuss? If the riders donate £1/point of their earnings / meeting that should raise a £'s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 hours ago, penchev said: Support it or lose it is my motto. The club are not badgering people for money for it to survive, and i cannot see anything wrong with anyone making a donation should they wish to do so. Good Post. The point is the owners aren't making threats, only opening up a conduit through which supporters - in the proper sense of the word - can make donations of whatever funds they can make available. It is a support group, and we have their mission statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concessionscol Posted August 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 ok was the wall that you had to buy a brick did it get built mmmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 hours ago, concessionscol said: ok was the wall that you had to buy a brick did it get built mmmmmmmm It pains me to answer this poster, but those who contributed - to the foam fence - did indeed have their names inscribed on 'bricks' and displayed on the door of the old track shop, which is currently in the pits, with the names still displayed. Mmmmmmmmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concessionscol Posted August 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 28 minutes ago, crescent girl said: It pains me to answer this poster, but those who contributed - to the foam fence - did indeed have their names inscribed on 'bricks' and displayed on the door of the old track shop, which is currently in the pits, with the names still displayed. Mmmmmmmmmmm. thank you for your answer hope your not in to much pain try going to see a dr mmmmmmmm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 11 hours ago, crescent girl said: Good Post. The point is the owners aren't making threats, only opening up a conduit through which supporters - in the proper sense of the word - can make donations of whatever funds they can make available. It is a support group, and we have their mission statement. You are suggesting that those who don't donate aren't proper supporters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 14 hours ago, George Dodds said: All sport is propped up by something extraneous - football by TV rights, rugby and cricket by TV rights and redistribution of profits from international games, most other sports by wealthy owners or support mechanisms. No sport is run as a business - even the monster that is football features hugely indebted clubs as they fail to balance the books. But I do promise that if the bottom ever falls out of your market I'll be the first to organise a tray bake and coffee morning to make sure you're never short of beard dye While I take your point about clubs being propped up by multi billion pound tv money, the reason for this investment is the basic product ie Premier League, is the most exciting and marketable football league there is which I think is the point that has been made already that if you get your basic product right, is this cases speedway on a Saturday night, then investment should with a bit of luck follow either by sponsorship and/or people coming through the gate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 minute ago, screm said: While I take your point about clubs being propped up by multi billion pound tv money, the reason for this investment is the basic product ie Premier League, is the most exciting and marketable football league there is which I think is the point that has been made already that if you get your basic product right, is this cases speedway on a Saturday night, then investment should with a bit of luck follow either by sponsorship and/or people coming through the gate. I do actually agree about getting the product right, that has to the main aim but the history of sport is littered with examples of clubs which assumed that the fans would flock through the gates only to be left with a pile of debts. Much is being made of the role of sponsorship - surely this scheme is no more than allowing fans who wish to, and can afford to do so, to "sponsor" the club in addition to paying their admission fee. Not much different to a business owner who sponsors either out of a love of speedway, a sense of duty to his/her town or city, as a publicity tool or to take advantage of tax benefits. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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