screm Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 57 minutes ago, George Dodds said: I do actually agree about getting the product right, that has to the main aim but the history of sport is littered with examples of clubs which assumed that the fans would flock through the gates only to be left with a pile of debts. Much is being made of the role of sponsorship - surely this scheme is no more than allowing fans who wish to, and can afford to do so, to "sponsor" the club in addition to paying their admission fee. Not much different to a business owner who sponsors either out of a love of speedway, a sense of duty to his/her town or city, as a publicity tool or to take advantage of tax benefits. Either way the important thing is to get money in, whether that be a sense of duty or a tax break, after all on the face of it Berwick Speedway is a relatively small business so any money is of great benefit. I wish the club the best in getting the donations needed though speedway in general is failing, whether donations from customers can save it for the long term remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 11 hours ago, concessionscol said: thank you for your answer hope your not in to much pain try going to see a dr mmmmmmmm It pains me to like this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 15 hours ago, crescent girl said: Good Post. The point is the owners aren't making threats, only opening up a conduit through which supporters - in the proper sense of the word - can make donations of whatever funds they can make available. It is a support group, and we have their mission statement. In the proper sense of the word supporters are just that they go and support their team I would imagine most of them are busy trying to earn a living and try to have family time as well. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 4 hours ago, screm said: You are suggesting that those who don't donate aren't proper supporters. It's just a sly dig as usual. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 19 minutes ago, Fromafar said: It's just a sly dig as usual. Wonder if he will be dipping into the money he takes from the club and putting it back in or he’ll just expect ‘real’ fans to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, Fromafar said: It's just a sly dig as usual. And likely to turn off supporters who might just be willing to donate, one day lessons will be learned, but that day wont be today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Just putting this out there. Which is best to support with additional fan funds. Riders or club, or both? What are the thoughts on here with regard to the Edinburgh Supporters' Trust? The whole sport, and product do need to improve, I think Berwick make continual efforts to do this, alongside Glasgow. In fact, Glasgow show what financial backing can begin to achieve. I'm taking a Devil's advocate role here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Monarchs Supporters Trust does a good job but they have 7 payment levels starting from £10 per month up to £100 per month. I know from involvement with Bandits 2012 Group how difficult it was just to get people to pay £10 per month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, bigeddiechek said: Just putting this out there. Which is best to support with additional fan funds. Riders or club, or both? What are the thoughts on here with regard to the Edinburgh Supporters' Trust? The whole sport, and product do need to improve, I think Berwick make continual efforts to do this, alongside Glasgow. In fact, Glasgow show what financial backing can begin to achieve. I'm taking a Devil's advocate role here. I assume the Trust at Edinburgh have an input into the running of the club as the trust does with the Berwick Rangers Trust, Glasgow totally different scenario 2 brothers with lots of disposable income that they seem willing to lose, would be nice to have that at Berwick, SUGAR DADDIES. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, balderdash&piffle said: I assume the Trust at Edinburgh have an input into the running of the club as the trust does with the Berwick Rangers Trust, Glasgow totally different scenario 2 brothers with lots of disposable income that they seem willing to lose, would be nice to have that at Berwick, SUGAR DADDIES. There is a big different between losing and investing. Through there successful, profitable company they acquired land and invested in creating an impressive sports stadium - both are assets. They continue to invest money that would presumably be 'lost' to the taxman therby enhancing there assets and providing a better product for speedway fans to enjoy. The key is owning the stadium. Sadly when speedway was drawing huge crowds in the 60 and 70s the promoters in the uk put the money in the boot of the car and drove off. when the crowds started to drop they sold the club to speedway fans as opposed to hard headed businessmen and its been generally 'fans' that have been trying to keep the sport going ever since. They had a chance when Sky were throwing money at the sport to invest in facilities but chose to pass it on the riders and once the money started to dry up the riders moved on to other countries. It'll' be interesting when the Polish bubble bursts! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 IT is a good point the most clubs now are run by speedway fans rather than business men and they have submitted to riders demands rather than the income coming through the gate and are now relying on Fans Trust ect.to keep their head above water. I praise the Glasgow business men for putting their money into the sport though,although you can see the investment in the land keeps their investment in there own control should the Speedway venture go wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedthebaw Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 2 hours ago, balderdash&piffle said: I assume the Trust at Edinburgh have an input into the running of the club as the trust does with the Berwick Rangers Trust, Glasgow totally different scenario 2 brothers with lots of disposable income that they seem willing to lose, would be nice to have that at Berwick, SUGAR DADDIES. And even with they’re wealth, they were given 5k from a supporters group earlier this season to help towards medical cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, Heedthebaw said: And even with they’re wealth, they were given 5k from a supporters group earlier this season to help towards medical cover No comment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havenagotahope Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 On 8/9/2018 at 5:34 PM, crescent girl said: Good Post. The point is the owners aren't making threats, only opening up a conduit through which supporters - in the proper sense of the word - can make donations of whatever funds they can make available. It is a support group, and we have their mission statement. Let’s have a raffle Dick that’s usually a good fund raiser 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 7 hours ago, havenagotahope said: Let’s have a raffle Dick that’s usually a good fund raiser Great idea, if he`s not to bust maybe we can get the World Champ to do the draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 4 hours ago, screm said: Great idea, if he`s not to bust maybe we can get the World Champ to do the draw. Will it be a car, if so cannot wait 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 Do some of the responses on here reflect part of the problem with British speedway? Again, playing Devil's advocate... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 8 hours ago, balderdash&piffle said: Will it be a car, if so cannot wait Speedboat or caravan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Bandit59 said: Speedboat or caravan Look what you could've won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 6 hours ago, bigeddiechek said: Do some of the responses on here reflect part of the problem with British speedway? Again, playing Devil's advocate... Forum Fanny's no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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