WestGorton1884 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 40 minutes ago, BWitcher said: And the team most to blame are...... Why are Belle Vue to blame ? Its the ridiculous rules / regulations implemented by the BSPA that are responsible for British riders like Jacobs being lost to the sport , rather than any one team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGorton1884 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Always an excuse. You didn't use him last year or this. He rode out of his skin for the Aces and you've effectively ended his career. Absolute rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Joe was at a similar low ebb after being ditched by Wolves and it especially hurt seeing three Brits replaced by two. He alway felt it was him that was replaced by a foreigner. He was pleased as punch when we offered him a full season and is baffled and none to pleased that no other top flight club was so benevolent towards him. He must be gutted that a lack of a team place in the CL means he cannot take advantage of Belle Vues back the Brits policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 53 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Always an excuse. You didn't use him last year or this. He rode out of his skin for the Aces and you've effectively ended his career. Don't be stupid. So every club that uses a rider one year is responsible for giving him a team place the following year or even two years later if nobody else does. If that is true then presumably Wolves have potentially ended Perks career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 58 minutes ago, BWitcher said: So? If you are happy that clubs ditch their British riders to retirement than there is nothing else to add really. 49 minutes ago, ouch said: Joe was at a similar low ebb after being ditched by Wolves and it especially hurt seeing three Brits replaced by two. He alway felt it was him that was replaced by a foreigner. He was pleased as punch when we offered him a full season and is baffled and none to pleased that no other top flight club was so benevolent towards him. He must be gutted that a lack of a team place in the CL means he cannot take advantage of Belle Vues back the Brits policy. He wasn't ditched by Wolves. He rode a full season for us in 2014. Belle Vue couldn't be bothered either in 2017. Must have been the ultimate kick in the throat. Certainly comes across that way. Just now, Aces51 said: Don't be stupid. So every club that uses a rider one year is responsible for giving him a team place the following year or even two years later if nobody else does. If that is true then presumably Wolves have potentially ended Perks career. Rye house did that by dropping a rider who was doing his job. He looked already beaten in Wolves colours after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Aces51 said: Don't be stupid. So every club that uses a rider one year is responsible for giving him a team place the following year or even two years later if nobody else does. If that is true then presumably Wolves have potentially ended Perks career. I didn't say that. Belle Vue fans are the ones who are claiming how well Jacobs did and how good he is. Yet none of you seem at all keen to have him in your side, but expect others to do so? It's not stupid, it's not rubbish. Belle Vue leaving Jacobs on his average has finished his top flight career and seemingly his career entirely. Again I re-iterate I don't blame them for not picking him. Perhaps there is a case in a situation such as this where a rider has such an extreme split between home and away that if he signs for another club there is a form of average reduction... unfortunately of course it would be open to abuse. Edited January 9, 2018 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, WestGorton1884 said: Absolute rubbish As said, it's fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 People missing the point entirely. Joe Jacobs needed to do 2 leagues not one so Belle Vue didnt take him on its as simple as that!! As for Shovlar talking about loyalty do us a favour and keep your mouth closed, Howarth, Newman, Ellis to name but 3 and now have an asset inPerks they dont wnat and would rather get in a Pole.........but thats ok beacuse its Poole hypocrite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shifty Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Anyone know what Dan's average will be ? I've heard 4.71 & 4.59. Which is correct ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 44 minutes ago, Gavan said: People missing the point entirely. Joe Jacobs needed to do 2 leagues not one so Belle Vue didnt take him on its as simple as that!! As for Shovlar talking about loyalty do us a favour and keep your mouth closed, Howarth, Newman, Ellis to name but 3 and now have an asset inPerks they dont wnat and would rather get in a Pole.........but thats ok beacuse its Poole hypocrite Add Starke to that list as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 47 minutes ago, Shifty said: Anyone know what Dan's average will be ? I've heard 4.71 & 4.59. Which is correct ?? 4.59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shifty Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Thanks Phil. That makes things more interesting with 4.12 for the last position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 14 hours ago, BWitcher said: Of what relevance are his home scores when he wouldn't be riding for Belle Vue? There is only one team where it makes any sense whatsoever in signing Jacobs, that is Belle Vue. However, they kicked him into touch. If you kept up with this topic you would see how 2 posters were saying Jacob was no good, one of them (the one with many different names) posted his away scores, I evened it up by posting his home scores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 14 hours ago, BWitcher said: Of course it doesn't end there. As you say he was brilliant at the NSS but to be frank at some away tracks he beyond struggled and at times looked like he'd never rode a bike before. It's for that reason why I suspect many promoters were reluctant to take him back. Let's face it, if Belle Vue haven't signed him 2 years running, on a track where he is superb, he's hardly likely to be picked up by others. The only reason I can come up with is averages, last season after numbers 1-6 were sorted we only had room for a 2 pointer. Same again this season with young Jack, to keep Jack would mean not utilising all our points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 15 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Wolves could have signed him as he rode for them a couple of seasons ago. Frankly its disgraceful they didn’t. He is out of a team because Wolves or Belle Vue didn’t offer him a team place. A disgrace! And to think Wolves could have given a spot to Jacobs instead of Jonny Foreigner Heeps. Talk about wolves not looking after British riders! Is that the Jonny foreigner Heeps who has British parents and British patriality????? Im sure Poole will bomb Shanes out .....cant have a young brit there for to long now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway3456 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) It’s a professional league not a league for only British riders, no one wanted perks or Jacobs in a team it’s bad luck, I would rather pay money to see good racing from world class riders instead of paying money to see British guys put in a team so they can be looked after its total non sense, that’s why British speedway is going down hill very fast due to being so poor, we want the best riders riding and that’s it. Edited January 9, 2018 by Speedway3456 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 56 minutes ago, hyderd said: If you kept up with this topic you would see how 2 posters were saying Jacob was no good, one of them (the one with many different names) posted his away scores, I evened it up by posting his home scores I know, I've been following the thread. It doesn't even it out at all though does it. It demonstrates what has been said, he is good at one track. So he quite simply isn't a viable signing for any club other than Belle Vue. In other words, to every other club he is.. no good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 50 minutes ago, hyderd said: The only reason I can come up with is averages, last season after numbers 1-6 were sorted we only had room for a 2 pointer. Same again this season with young Jack, to keep Jack would mean not utilising all our points. Totally agree with this and can understand why he hasn't fitted into Belle Vue. It's a reality though any other top flight club would have to be insane to sign him. I mentioned earlier the only solution in a case like this is to have one average if he signed for Belle Vue and another if he joined another club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Gavan said: People missing the point entirely. Joe Jacobs needed to do 2 leagues This is another issue that is becoming more prevalent. It didn't used to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, BWitcher said: I know, I've been following the thread. It doesn't even it out at all though does it. It demonstrates what has been said, he is good at one track. So he quite simply isn't a viable signing for any club other than Belle Vue. In other words, to every other club he is.. no good. When he rode for Wolves his home average was 4.36 and away 4.34. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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