topsoil Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Irrespective of whether his name is Joe Jacobs or Mr X, it is sad to see a young British rider, who has potentially ten years in the sport ahead of him, retire. The sport needs as many young British riders coming through as possible for the future. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGorton1884 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Joe Jacobs achieved a 5.14 average , The argument that he wasn't good enough surely ends there ?, well to any normal thinking person . Sure he was exceptional at NSS ,and struggled away at smaller tracks, but the point is at 24 yrs old Surely there was room for improvement ?, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGorton1884 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, topsoil said: Irrespective of whether his name is Joe Jacobs or Mr X, it is sad to see a young British rider, who has potentially ten years in the sport ahead of him, retire. The sport needs as many young British riders coming through as possible for the future. Correct , that's the point we're trying to make, however the Dorset Mafia just pass him off as being crap At 24 yrs of age ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, WestGorton1884 said: Joe Jacobs achieved a 5.14 average , The argument that he wasn't good enough surely ends there ?, well to any normal thinking person . Sure he was exceptional at NSS ,and struggled away at smaller tracks, but the point is at 24 yrs old Surely there was room for improvement ?, Of course it doesn't end there. As you say he was brilliant at the NSS but to be frank at some away tracks he beyond struggled and at times looked like he'd never rode a bike before. It's for that reason why I suspect many promoters were reluctant to take him back. Let's face it, if Belle Vue haven't signed him 2 years running, on a track where he is superb, he's hardly likely to be picked up by others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, hyderd said: care to do his home scores. Of what relevance are his home scores when he wouldn't be riding for Belle Vue? There is only one team where it makes any sense whatsoever in signing Jacobs, that is Belle Vue. However, they kicked him into touch. Edited January 8, 2018 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Wolves could have signed him as he rode for them a couple of seasons ago. Frankly its disgraceful they didn’t. He is out of a team because Wolves or Belle Vue didn’t offer him a team place. A disgrace! And to think Wolves could have given a spot to Jacobs instead of Jonny Foreigner Heeps. Talk about wolves not looking after British riders! Priceless Howarth, Ellis, Newman anybody to name but 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 21 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Wolves could have signed him as he rode for them a couple of seasons ago. Frankly its disgraceful they didn’t. He is out of a team because Wolves or Belle Vue didn’t offer him a team place. A disgrace! And to think Wolves could have given a spot to Jacobs instead of Jonny Foreigner Heeps. Talk about wolves not looking after British riders! It nearly makes us as bad as Poole, how dreadful. Still, 3 Brits at Wolves again this season. You can rely on Poole to not do their bit, as per usual. You can see why Howarth and Adam wanted out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGorton1884 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, BWitcher said: Of course it doesn't end there. As you say he was brilliant at the NSS but to be frank at some away tracks he beyond struggled and at times looked like he'd never rode a bike before. It's for that reason why I suspect many promoters were reluctant to take him back. Let's face it, if Belle Vue haven't signed him 2 years running, on a track where he is superb, he's hardly likely to be picked up by others. Agree , the fact is , his average of 5.14 meant it was hard to justify a team place in 2017 , I think the main point is , its another young British rider seemingly lost to sport, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Matt Ford Fan said: I am agreeing to the post in general about British riders not being able to get team places. Not just reserves. Jacobs wouldn't get a team place period because he isn't good enough. Simple as that really. Morris & Greaves are much better. Ayres & Morley are better. Davey only has a place at Swindon because they ran out of points to play with otherwise he would have been left without a job. Jacobs isn't good enough and Promoters know it. Otherwise he would be offered team places when the team building starts not half way through the season when riders get injured. Morris ,Greaves , Ayres much better are you on something ???? that statement shows us all that you cannot watch much Speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces High Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Given that Jacobs is a specialist around the NSS he'd probably be good on the continental tracks...then Poole would be desperate to sign him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 33 minutes ago, WestGorton1884 said: Agree , the fact is , his average of 5.14 meant it was hard to justify a team place in 2017 , I think the main point is , its another young British rider seemingly lost to sport, Agreed and its a huge shame for the lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 54 minutes ago, WestGorton1884 said: Agree , the fact is , his average of 5.14 meant it was hard to justify a team place in 2017 , I think the main point is , its another young British rider seemingly lost to sport, And the team most to blame are...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 It was a great shame that the BSPA cut the points limit right back after we topped the league. I’m just please we managed to replaced our outgoing British reserves with two more Brits. I was looking forward to Joe returning this year but once it was clear he couldn’t make it pay without a CL place and none made an offer the chance was gone. It needs more teams to back the Brits to make it work. It’s a shame we don’t own a CL club. Best of luck Joe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, WestGorton1884 said: Correct , that's the point we're trying to make, however the Dorset Mafia just pass him off as being crap At 24 yrs of age ! No. The Belle Vue promotion have passed him off. They could have had him in the team instead of Drodz. But they didn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: No. The Belle Vue promotion have passed him off. They could have had him in the team instead of Drodz. But they didn’t. I understand it isn't easy for those who have difficulty grasping facts but as Jacobs has said he needs to double up to continue racing it follows that Belle Vue couldn't have had him instead of Drozdz unless he was also offered a CL team slot. My opinion is that the culprits here are the BSPA who have abandoned the two Brits per team rule. They should've instead implemented it in both the PL and CL instead of encouraging teams to sign more foreign riders. That wouldn't necessarily guarantee Jacobs a team place but certainly helps British riders to get places and to progress. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: No. The Belle Vue promotion have passed him off. They could have had him in the team instead of Drodz. But they didn’t. Ditto Poole could have had Perks instead of Szczpaniak, but they didn't. Poole have passed him off too. Edited January 8, 2018 by stevebrum Spelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, Aces51 said: I understand it isn't easy for those who have difficulty grasping facts but as Jacobs has said he needs to double up to continue racing it follows that Belle Vue couldn't have had him instead of Drozdz unless he was also offered a CL team slot. My opinion is that the culprits here are the BSPA who have abandoned the two Brits per team rule. They should've instead implemented it in both the PL and CL instead of encouraging teams to sign more foreign riders. That wouldn't necessarily guarantee Jacobs a team place but certainly helps British riders to get places and to progress. Always an excuse. You didn't use him last year or this. He rode out of his skin for the Aces and you've effectively ended his career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, stevebrum said: Ditto Poole could have had Perks instead if Szczpaniak, but they didn't. Poole have passed him off too. Remind when Perks achieved his average with Poole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, BWitcher said: Remind when Perks achieved his average with Poole? He is a Poole asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, stevebrum said: He is a Poole asset. So? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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