Jake Knight Banned

[uk_martin]

Well, yes. Considering this we have had (in no particular order) the Championship Fours, Kings Lynn, the Jack Holder affair, Paul Hurry's NL average, Harland Cook's NL average, Isle of Wight being shafted right, left and centre, JPB's ban, Josh Auty's 'retirement', Lakeside just being allowed not to contest a cup tie and possibly a couple of other incidents I have forgotten about, wouldn't you think that's enough incident for one year?

 

It's said that speedway in Britain needs an independent adjudicator. Yes, it almost certainly does, but given that catalogue of cock ups I've mentioned above, just who on earth is a big enough masochist to take it all on?

 

Edited to add: A fair number of matches in all three leagues becoming guest and R/R city due to the ludicrous double/triple up/down scenario allowed by the sport's administrators.

 

Just wait til next year when the Coventry Bees ride out of their new "home" in Perry Barr...

[Halifaxtiger]

NL riders want the big money like professional riders but when it suits them they want the amateur status , riders have pulled out of this meeting for years because the pay is standard money , I guess the SCB have finally taken a stand and good on them , more and more I hear I wouldnt get out of bed for that money and thats from average NL riders

 

It is very wrong for a rider to miss a meeting for no reason at all. However, didn't Mildenhall go nuts last season when Luke Chessell pulled out of a meeting because he had no machinery and Cradley brought in Matt Williamson instead? The reasoning is the same but on one occasion you get a ban and on the other a guest ? .

 

As others have said what about Davey ? He rode Saturday night, so why hasn't he been banned ?

 

You can argue all you want about riders withdrawing but that still doesn't excuse in any way the crass standard of rulings we have seen in the NL this season. Harland Cook, Paul Hurry, Adam Roynon, Matt Marson and now Jake Knight. Every single one inconsistent, incompetent, biased or vicious (or all four).

 

Its not beyond the realms of possibility that major honours in this seasons NL will go to clubs whose teams are either illegal within the rules of the sport or who have benefited from appalling and completely unjustifiable decisions.

 

Nothing will damage the credibility of the sport in general and the NL in particular more than that.

Well, yes. Considering this we have had (in no particular order) the Championship Fours, Kings Lynn, the Jack Holder affair, Paul Hurry's NL average, Harland Cook's NL average, Isle of Wight being shafted right, left and centre, JPB's ban, Josh Auty's 'retirement', Lakeside just being allowed not to contest a cup tie and possibly a couple of other incidents I have forgotten about, wouldn't you think that's enough incident for one year?

 

It's said that speedway in Britain needs an independent adjudicator. Yes, it almost certainly does, but given that catalogue of cock ups I've mentioned above, just who on earth is a big enough masochist to take it all on?

 

Edited to add: A fair number of matches in all three leagues becoming guest and R/R city due to the ludicrous double/triple up/down scenario allowed by the sport's administrators.

 

Been saying it for years and will repeat it now.

 

Thing is, I don't think any of the above decisions are particularly difficult. Should Harland Cook have got an average reduction after years out of the sport ? Of course he should. Should Paul Hurry's average have been reduced by 3 points ? Of course not.

 

We simply have to have someone who is not linked to any club, has a very sound grasp of the rules and can follow and make precedent. Chances of the BSPA allowing that to happen are absolutely zero, because they want the opportunity to cheat, manipulate and do things 'in the interests of the sport'.

[waytogo28]

Halifaxtiger wrote " We simply have to have someone who is not linked to any club, has a very sound grasp of the rules and can follow and make precedent. Chances of the BSPA allowing that to happen are absolutely zero, because they want the opportunity to cheat, manipulate and do things 'in the interests of the sport'."

 

And that phrase " in the interests of the sport " will remain as a catch all way of overcoming every anomaly that shows up. Even the most corrupt ones and is one reason why the sport will not get out of it's present decline.

[brianbuck]

I wouldn't criticise the action taken against Knight, but there is a need for consistency. The BSPA have created a "please yourself when you ride" scenario by by allowing riders to opt out of their commitments through "work commitments" "pre-booked holidays" "lack of machinery" etc, and now seem surprised when riders abuse the rule left right and centre.

 

Any rider missing a match through any reason other than a genuine injury should get a similar two match ban anda fine - and there should be no exceptions. Only when the rules are clearly set out and rigidly enforced will speedway begin to regain some credibility.

[Halifaxtiger]

I wouldn't criticise the action taken against Knight, but there is a need for consistency. The BSPA have created a "please yourself when you ride" scenario by by allowing riders to opt out of their commitments through "work commitments" "pre-booked holidays" "lack of machinery" etc, and now seem surprised when riders abuse the rule left right and centre.

 

Any rider missing a match through any reason other than a genuine injury should get a similar two match ban anda fine - and there should be no exceptions. Only when the rules are clearly set out and rigidly enforced will speedway begin to regain some credibility.

 

The decision can be immediately criticised because two riders pulled out on the day but only one has been banned. Just how can that be the case ?

 

Could the fact that Knight is involved in the play offs but Davey isn't have something to do with it ?

[Twowheels]

For your info, Jake had informed the relevant parties of his predicament on the Saturday night at Belle Vue, sized motor in his first ride, and then metal in the oil on his spare bike. This was not about money as he was looking forward to the meeting. Having given his reasons on the Saturday night and no mention of a ban he went home and striped both bikes, He now has engine bills circa £1500 and has lost 2 home meetings. Renting or borrowing engines may have been a option if it was not for the fact he was at Belle Vue the night before. He is not the rider to miss meetings without good reason. We are still awaiting feedback from the BSPA as Jake was not aware of any mis doing until he received a text of Wednesday to say he was banned. Some 4 days after his notification to the BSPA.

Richard

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

 

The decision can be immediately criticised because two riders pulled out on the day but only one has been banned. Just how can that be the case ?

 

Could the fact that Knight is involved in the play offs but Davey isn't have something to do with it ?

while I agree that all riders should receive the same treatment, I am reliably informed that Daveys excuse was genuine ,I am still sceptical but thats what Im told , you know me I am highly critical of the way some riders treat the speedway even at NL level and until its dealt with properly we will always get events like this

[Halifaxtiger]

while I agree that all riders should receive the same treatment, I am reliably informed that Daveys excuse was genuine ,I am still sceptical but thats what Im told , you know me I am highly critical of the way some riders treat the speedway even at NL level and until its dealt with properly we will always get events like this

 

I could argue that Knight's excuse was too. My beef, though, isn't about riders getting pulled up for missing meetings without reasonable cause - where that's concerned, I agree with your view.

 

However, until we have a consistent procedure that is applied across the board Knight's punishment is wrong and, given that he rides for a team who are in the play offs, was made quite possibly to deliberately weaken Eastbourne's chances.

 

Given the record of crooked, incompetent and vicious decisions we have seen in the NL, can anyone actually say otherwise ?

Edited September 30, 2017 by Halifaxtiger

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

 

I could argue that Knight's excuse was too. My beef, though, isn't about riders getting pulled up for missing meetings without reasonable cause - where that's concerned, I agree with your view.

 

However, until we have a consistent procedure that is applied across the board Knight's punishment is wrong and, given that he rides for a team who are in the play offs, was made quite possibly to deliberately weaken Eastbourne's chances.

 

Given the record of crooked, incompetent and vicious decisions we have seen in the NL, can anyone actually say otherwise ?

unfortunatly not , the Richard hall Birmingham saga said it all to me ,when Everyone knows the decisions are really made by peter Morrishs superior who just happens to be the promoter of the very team who hall eventually rides for , it stinks and its always been the same

[woofers]

From the 2017 regulations

19.9.4 It is mandatory for riders to appear in the NDL 4TT, NDL BP and NDLRC; riders will be suspended from their next 2 Home Meetings in contravention, subject to MC confirmation.

 

You'd think the BSPA people might have pointed this out when he got in touch to say he would have to withdraw.

 

Any other riders been penalised by this rule over the years ?

[Twowheels]

Jake had informed the relevant people at Belle Vue the night before, at no time was he informed of the potential ban. It was only when he received a text on Wednesday to inform him of the 2 meeting ban.Totally Genuine in what he thought was the action to take without time to sort replacement engines.

Richard

Edited September 30, 2017 by R Knight

[brianbuck]

I notice that Knight's name did not appear in the Eastbourne team for their away match against Cradley Heath last Wednesday (which was rained off as it happens). Perhaps there was a genuine reason for this, but more and more riders are jumping on the "ride when I please" bandwaggon, and it is not acceptable and wouldn't be tolerated in any other professional sport.

[HenryW]

I notice that Knight's name did not appear in the Eastbourne team for their away match against Cradley Heath last Wednesday (which was rained off as it happens). Perhaps there was a genuine reason for this, but more and more riders are jumping on the "ride when I please" bandwaggon, and it is not acceptable and wouldn't be tolerated in any other professional sport.

I didn't think the National League made any claims to be professional...or has that changed? Edited September 30, 2017 by HenryW

[diamond_ren]

Surely Jack Holder should serve a ban too? Just let someone who is clearly using British speedway as a stepping stone in his career do what he wants yet punish an English rider yeah nice one bspa, scb whoever made the decision.

 

The inconsistency is ridiculous in British speedway

Edited September 30, 2017 by ren

[brianbuck]

I didn't think the National League made any claims to be professional...or has that changed?

The riders all get paid - so whether the BSPA or anyone else likes it or not - it's professional! (Although you would never believe it the way it is run!!!!)

[lucifer sam]

From the 2017 regulations

19.9.4 It is mandatory for riders to appear in the NDL 4TT, NDL BP and NDLRC; riders will be suspended from their next 2 Home Meetings in contravention, subject to MC confirmation.

 

You'd think the BSPA people might have pointed this out when he got in touch to say he would have to withdraw.

 

Any other riders been penalised by this rule over the years ?

 

So why hasn't Mitchell Davey, who completed his meeting on Saturday, been given a similar ban?

 

All the best

Rob

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

The riders all get paid - so whether the BSPA or anyone else likes it or not - it's professional! (Although you would never believe it the way it is run!!!!)

and the amount some of them are paid these days its not a bad paid profession either

[Halifaxtiger]

From the 2017 regulations

19.9.4 It is mandatory for riders to appear in the NDL 4TT, NDL BP and NDLRC; riders will be suspended from their next 2 Home Meetings in contravention, subject to MC confirmation.

 

You'd think the BSPA people might have pointed this out when he got in touch to say he would have to withdraw.

 

Any other riders been penalised by this rule over the years ?

 

That really is the point here. Despite numerous withdrawals over the years, I have never heard of anyone suffering similar punishment.

 

So why hasn't Mitchell Davey, who completed his meeting on Saturday, been given a similar ban?

 

All the best

Rob

 

 

So why hasn't Mitchell Davey, who completed his meeting on Saturday, been given a similar ban?

 

All the best

Rob

 

 

Connor Dugard states on the Eastbourne website that other riders had 'certificates' that allowed them to be absent.

[Star Lady]

 

 

 

 

Connor Dugard states on the Eastbourne website that other riders had 'certificates' that allowed them to be absent.

 

Which strengthens the case for any certificate to have a minimum period of 3 days.

[Bigballs]

Surely Jack Holder should serve a ban too? Just let someone who is clearly using British speedway as a stepping stone in his career do what he wants yet punish an English rider yeah nice one bspa, scb whoever made the decision.

The inconsistency is ridiculous in British speedway

Don't you know British speedway must look after all Australian riders give them team spots and guest booking so that the British riders are not as good as them especially for the World Cup ask tai woofinden