False dawn Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 "BeeSpeed" at Brandon The SpeedyBee if my memory isn't completely fading. The idea of a track spare has disappeared. Perhaps at the National League level, the concept could be reintroduced. The fact that riders at the introductory level of the sport are expected to have two bikes, not just runners but highly competitive machines is bonkers. We want these lads (and girls, please) to learn their trade and be the champions of the future surely? Of course they want to win and their clubs want to be league champions. But let's get the priorities right. Track time, race craft, mechanical skill, team riding (what's that?) and dealing with the press and fans. Surely these are the attributes we should be seeking to develop? Oh well. Maybe I'm just an old fogey? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) More Tracks than Wimbledon had a 'Track Spare' ond - Norwich had a very famous one which the great Ove Fundin used to ride. I would think Ond is referring to when Wimbledon were in the Conference / National league,so comparable to Eastbourne now. I find it incredible that this rule has been enforced against Jake Knight (I can't imagine he was pre warned that he would get a ban) - let's see if We get consistency in the future. Of course, any rider in similar circumstances will now just turn up and go through the motions - 5 exclusion s under the 2 min rule? Edited October 8, 2017 by Sir Sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Surely repeated exclusions under the two minute rule would also be a ban, looking at the Chris holder ban as a precedent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 ......False dawn.......Oh well. Maybe I'm just an old fogey? The 'like' was for the post not this bit because you're not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 The SpeedyBee if my memory isn't completely fading. The idea of a track spare has disappeared. Perhaps at the National League level, the concept could be reintroduced. The fact that riders at the introductory level of the sport are expected to have two bikes, not just runners but highly competitive machines is bonkers. We want these lads (and girls, please) to learn their trade and be the champions of the future surely? Of course they want to win and their clubs want to be league champions. But let's get the priorities right. Track time, race craft, mechanical skill, team riding (what's that?) and dealing with the press and fans. Surely these are the attributes we should be seeking to develop? Oh well. Maybe I'm just an old fogey? ...recall the days that Oxford had a track spare it was abused and the bike stripped for its parts. Therefore the idea didn't last long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 I think regulations need to reflect economic realities at particular levels. Where riders are riding at a level where they're little more than amateurs, a blown engine should be a reasonable excuse for withdrawing from a meeting, provided the call off is in sufficient time for a promoter to find a replacement. It's annoying for a promoter, but little different from an injury or dodgy sick note in practice. No excuse at a professional level though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Surely repeated exclusions under the two minute rule would also be a ban, looking at the Chris holder ban as a precedent? Yes, I was just being a bit flippant - however, depending on just how bad a rider's machinery really is, the method of turning up but not being able to compete might vary. At National League level how many bikes and engines can a rider be expected to have, and what is a realistic timescale for him to get competitive equipment in place if he has had genuine issues? As HA said, the regulations need to reflect the realities at the particular level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twowheels Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 For your info, Jake has 2x complete bikes, would be great to have a spare engines but this is unviable at present. Unfortunately as stated Jake had sized engine in first ride and had metal in oil on spare, all parties were notified the night before in Manchester. Jake was gutted that he was going to miss meeting,with no time to get anything sorted he felt best to let all know of his predicament. Ban has now be fulfilled and he can move on. Richard 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 For your info, Jake has 2x complete bikes, would be great to have a spare engines but this is unviable at present. Unfortunately as stated Jake had sized engine in first ride and had metal in oil on spare, all parties were notified the night before in Manchester. Jake was gutted that he was going to miss meeting,with no time to get anything sorted he felt best to let all know of his predicament. Ban has now be fulfilled and he can move on. Richard Hard done by IMO ,if it happens again just phone in with a"sickness bug" the next morning.Ask Lambert for Doctors name.! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Yes, I was just being a bit flippant - however, depending on just how bad a rider's machinery really is, the method of turning up but not being able to compete might vary. At National League level how many bikes and engines can a rider be expected to have, and what is a realistic timescale for him to get competitive equipment in place if he has had genuine issues? As HA said, the regulations need to reflect the realities at the particular level. tbf, a rider can miss a normal NL meeting for any reason - schoolwork, fancied a night in with the missus or a few beers at the pub with his mates etc. its just these rules apply to BSPA shared events..which on one hand is understandable, on another not so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted October 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Still no announcement about a ban for Jack Holder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Still no announcement about a ban for Jack Holder. You missed it? From the BSPA statement on August 6th; "If the rider had gone to Poland and raced without the permission of his club he would have been banned for withholding his services for 28 days - this is not the case with Jack Holder as his club have given him their blessing and we have evidence of the true reason." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted October 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Exactly. The biggest load of tripe since there were 4 tripe stalls in the local market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 For your info, Jake has 2x complete bikes, would be great to have a spare engines but this is unviable at present. Unfortunately as stated Jake had sized engine in first ride and had metal in oil on spare, all parties were notified the night before in Manchester. Jake was gutted that he was going to miss meeting,with no time to get anything sorted he felt best to let all know of his predicament. Ban has now be fulfilled and he can move on. Richard Thanks Richard, I think Jake has been hard done by here. He tried to do the right thing and has lost out as a result. I'm glad he can move on. Let's see if the rule is enforced in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 So will Robert Lambert be in line for a ban now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 So will Robert Lambert be in line for a ban now?No,Buster will see to that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 No,Buster will see to that. More than likely he'll make sure his love child escapes punishment. Any idea why Lambert isn't in the field for the riders championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) More than likely he'll make sure his love child escapes punishment. Any idea why Lambert isn't in the field for the riders championship? Wasnt in original field ( not sure why)injured now supposedly . Total plonker in my book,just taking th p#ss.Like he said rides to suit himself.That could backfire on him one day. Edited October 10, 2017 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Wasnt in original field ( not sure why)injured now supposedly . Total plonker in my book,just taking th p#ss.Like he said rides to suit himself.That could backfire on him one day. Yeah it's quite annoying for everyone connected with Newcastle as well as fans of other clubs who don't get to see him ride. If it was an individual meeting in Germany or Poland he'd make sure he was available to ride Edited October 10, 2017 by ren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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