mauger65 Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Steve apologies for the rant but my reply still stands ........... common sense is in very short supply from the ruling bodies ... whether it be the bspa, fim or whovever i feel heartily sorry for the likes of george and alan who have to try and work with other promoters who are more obsessed with what suits them rather the greater good of the sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 All my point was, you said that it was a BSPA ruling, and I was just pointing out that it wasn't. In fact the BSPA wanted to help us, but couldn't due, to the rules of a 'higher authority.' Maybe it will be on the agenda of this years AGM to change that? The BSPA have a 25% input into the decisions of the ISLB, so not totally innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 The BSPA have a 25% input into the decisions of the ISLB, so not totally innocent. Unfortunately, 75% will always beat 25% !! As I hinted at earlier, maybe this will help in big changes at the AGM, where, at least in these circumstances, common sense (which, as maugher65 says is sadly lacking) can prevail? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highside Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 How many meetings are left ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 How many meetings are left ? 4, possibly 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Steve apologies for the rant but my reply still stands ........... common sense is in very short supply from the ruling bodies ... whether it be the bspa, fim or whovever i feel heartily sorry for the likes of george and alan who have to try and work with other promoters who are more obsessed with what suits them rather the greater good of the sport Nail on head.... (on both counts, so, two nails on two heads!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Unfortunately, 75% will always beat 25% !! As I hinted at earlier, maybe this will help in big changes at the AGM, where, at least in these circumstances, common sense (which, as maugher65 says is sadly lacking) can prevail? It hasn't over the last few years, why should it now? You mention common sense - well we can only wait and see. The evidence of History doesn't exactly encourage thoughts of a successful outcome - or common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 any rider averaging over 8 is not allowed in the championship . time to build up the premier league with one lot of riders no more double down for the big guns . throw away the rule book and have a 2 page book of rules that EVERYONE can understand . get rid of vatcher,van strap on and a few others that are creaming it . there , sorted . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 any rider averaging over 8 is not allowed in the championship . time to build up the premier league with one lot of riders no more double down for the big guns .throw away the rule book and have a 2 page book of rules that EVERYONE can understand . get rid of vatcher,van strap on and a few others that are creaming it .there , sorted . a 2 page rule book ??? surely that must be 1 page for the rules and, the other 1 left blank to make new ones up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 no , there will be 4 pages , got to use both side and cut down on the expence of it all . first page for rules and the next 2,3,4 pages for the twisting of the new rules . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Yes I am & I hope that this is the last time for this farce, I also hold the factor that we now are looking low on dates for all fixtures to be completed before the end of the season at the promotions door, as there is at least two fixtures they chose not to run one being the Newcastle United promoted, and the other Cardiff weekend so sorry but they now have to suffer the consequences IMO. Can't agree with that that I'm afraid. It wasn't simply the fact that they chose not to run. It was more a case of being short of the necessary staff to be able to run, due to the volunteers (upon which the club depends, and without which there simply wouldn't be speedway at Newcastle) either deciding to celebrate Newcastle's promotion or being at Cardiff and therefore being unable to fulfil there normal duties. I, for one, am grateful to them for the work they do and this is by no means a criticism of them. The alternative being to employ people to do the job they do and, almost certainly, put the entry cost out of reach for most. The promotion chose not to run because they couldn't guarantee there being enough staff on duty to SAFELY run a meeting. (And I'm not a volunteer). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike7164 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Can't agree with that that I'm afraid. It wasn't simply the fact that they chose not to run. It was more a case of being short of the necessary staff to be able to run, due to the volunteers (upon which the club depends, and without which there simply wouldn't be speedway at Newcastle) either deciding to celebrate Newcastle's promotion or being at Cardiff and therefore being unable to fulfil there normal duties. I, for one, am grateful to them for the work they do and this is by no means a criticism of them. The alternative being to employ people to do the job they do and, almost certainly, put the entry cost out of reach for most. The promotion chose not to run because they couldn't guarantee there being enough staff on duty to SAFELY run a meeting. (And I'm not a volunteer). Well I respect your opinion and take your view however you would not get the football bowing down to the speedway, so either they could of gone for a 7.30 time for both dates or run on a Monday. So I stand by my post and once again down to the promotion they made a decision that now could come back and bite them on the arse! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Well I respect your opinion and take your view however you would not get the football bowing down to the speedway, so either they could of gone for a 7.30 time for both dates or run on a Monday. So I stand by my post and once again down to the promotion they made a decision that now could come back and bite them on the arse! And lost God knows how much in reduced revenue. Yep, as always, never seeing the 'bigger picture." Also, the Monday after Cardiff we would have been without Stevie Worrall, Robert Lambert and Lewis Rose, so yeah, cracking idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike7164 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 And lost God knows how much in reduced revenue. Yep, as always, never seeing the 'bigger picture." Also, the Monday after Cardiff we would have been without Stevie Worrall, Robert Lambert and Lewis Rose, so yeah, cracking idea. Well again so be it we have attempted 3 meetings using a rookie No 1 in place of Lambert? so don't give me that as for money loosing you may well be right, however what are we doing in the position we are now finding ourselves in running Monday so no difference IMHO so that is on shaky ground with your argument I'm afraid. Add in to the mix if we end up running out of dates if we get any further rain offs or success in going further in KO Cup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Well again so be it we have attempted 3 meetings using a rookie No 1 in place of Lambert? so don't give me that as for money loosing you may well be right, however what are we doing in the position we are now finding ourselves in running Monday so no difference IMHO so that is on shaky ground with your argument I'm afraid. Add in to the mix if we end up running out of dates if we get any further rain offs or success in going further in KO Cup! We are only running next Monday because we have to. I think blaming the promotion (again typical of you) is bang out of order. By your reckoning the two meetings lost due to the promotion (one of which has already been explained was due to lack of staff to run the meeting) has caused the backlog, which is totally wrong. How many rain-offs have we had? I think you will find that they are mainly to blame for the predicament the club finds itself in fixture wise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike7164 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 We are only running next Monday because we have to. I think blaming the promotion (again typical of you) is bang out of order. By your reckoning the two meetings lost due to the promotion (one of which has already been explained was due to lack of staff to run the meeting) has caused the backlog, which is totally wrong. How many rain-offs have we had? I think you will find that they are mainly to blame for the predicament the club finds itself in fixture wise. Typical of me? You make me laugh as Ive said all along you are entitled to your opinion as I am of mine, however where ever we run on Monday or not as you put it because we have to we had to back then if we had this weekend would not be a problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 So we (well, you) are ignoring the three rain-offs (Sheffield Apr 16, Edinburgh Jun 11 and Workington Oct 1), the fact we hosted a British Semi Final (Apr 30), Couldnt/can't run on Sept 24 (SGC Riders Championship at Glasgow) or This Sun Oct 8 (SGB Pairs at Sheffield) and also the fact we had to replay against Workington in the cup. I make that six meetings where we couldn't run through no fault of our own, compared to the two meetings that the promotion (for whatever reason) decided not to run. We therefore had just the one date that could have a Monday race-night, i.e Sept 25, when we would have been without Stevie. That's why we are struggling for dates. Accepted the two that was the promotions choice haven't helped, but without the rain-offs I believe we would have been fine. As you rightly say, you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine, but I think on this occasion, you are way off the mark!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike7164 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) So we (well, you) are ignoring the three rain-offs (Sheffield Apr 16, Edinburgh Jun 11 and Workington Oct 1), the fact we hosted a British Semi Final (Apr 30), Couldnt/can't run on Sept 24 (SGC Riders Championship at Glasgow) or This Sun Oct 8 (SGB Pairs at Sheffield) and also the fact we had to replay against Workington in the cup. I make that six meetings where we couldn't run through no fault of our own, compared to the two meetings that the promotion (for whatever reason) decided not to run. We therefore had just the one date that could have a Monday race-night, i.e Sept 25, when we would have been without Stevie. That's why we are struggling for dates. Accepted the two that was the promotions choice haven't helped, but without the rain-offs I believe we would have been fine. As you rightly say, you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine, but I think on this occasion, you are way off the mark!! Steve the date you analyse above state that other speedway commitments on running, that being the case Newcastle find themselves in a position not of there own doing as you say that they cannot run! The dates I give above where the promotion chose not to run on both occasions has nothing to do with the sport it was to do with Newcastle is a club so therefore it is my belief that the promotion rightly or wrongly have their opinion and their choice not to run. There is still more possibilities that more rain offs could prevail. However I have never personally attacked you or the promotion as individuals like you said that about me therefore that makes you low Edited October 3, 2017 by mike7164 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) However I have never personally attacked you or the promotion as individuals like you said that about me therefore that makes you low Really??.... You said on 29th July 2017 @ 11.27pm on the Newcastle vs Edinburgh thread... "I have said it before & I stand by it we have two weaknesses in the camp one is Ludvig Lindgren, & the other is George English is no good as a team manager he's useless and to be successful we need to get rid of these week links ." Edited October 3, 2017 by Steve Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Really??.... You said on 29th July 2017 @ 11.27pm on the Newcastle vs Edinburgh thread... "I have said it before & I stand by it we have two weaknesses in the camp one is Ludvig Lindgren, & the other is George English is no good as a team manager he's useless and to be successful we need to get rid of these week links ." Mike is totally right in one and totally wrong in the other. I will leave it to you as to which is which, as I don't want to get wrong off ruffdiamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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