Newcastle 2018

[mauger65]

bloom89 - what are you on about 

lindgren was only beaten by schlein who is a class act around brough

3 reserves .... did you see pickering ........... hes about as much as reserve as Ashley morris is 

and riding at 4 is completely different to riding at 1and 5 ...........  at 1 and 5 you face the opposition 1 and 5 twice !!! at four you only meet them once .......... if you think riding heat 14 against the opposition 4 and 6/7 is the same as riding heat 13 then that probably explains your other daft comments

and as for our 'super number one' ...........  beyond belief ........... everyone has commented he's not a number 1 AND he has never claimed to be .... the lad maybe be an enigma but hes riding out of position through no fault of his own

 

Edited May 6, 2018 by mauger65

[PaulS]

Lindgren had a good performance this evening - in racking up his 17+1 he defeated some quality opposition.

When a rider scores 17+1 it's not really the time to be concerned about his form. It seems his major mechanical problems are sorted. Let's see if he can trouble the scoreboard at Scunthorpe...

[bringbackHalifax]

And if Witches were so weak with all them reserves in their team where were the rest of the diamonds tonight especially the strongest reserves in the league.

The truth is when a good gating rider of any standard rides the right line at Brough or most other circuits in the championship it is now very hard to pass them

if you make the gate you can bank on 3 or 2 points, miss the gate and it’s a 1or a zero.

Once Rory had won the sling shot off turn two in ht15 Ludvig let Tero get ahead and sat mid track protecting the 3 all for a draw.

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[bloom89]

8 hours ago, mauger65 said:

bloom89 - what are you on about 

lindgren was only beaten by schlein who is a class act around brough

3 reserves .... did you see pickering ........... hes about as much as reserve as Ashley morris is 

and riding at 4 is completely different to riding at 1and 5 ...........  at 1 and 5 you face the opposition 1 and 5 twice !!! at four you only meet them once .......... if you think riding heat 14 against the opposition 4 and 6/7 is the same as riding heat 13 then that probably explains your other daft comments

and as for our 'super number one' ...........  beyond belief ........... everyone has commented he's not a number 1 AND he has never claimed to be .... the lad maybe be an enigma but hes riding out of position through no fault of his own

 

Yeah fair play to him for beating schlein and that’s what he should be doing at home all the time the problem is he doesn’t. Next home meeting he is quite likely to go out and score 7.

Technically Pickering is a reserve although I get what your saying he’s riding way beyond his average.

I’ve never once said riding at 1 is the same as riding at 4 if you read my posts properly if you take out heat 13/14 which ever number you ride at you still have to face the opposing heat leader once in your first three rides? 

It just seems to some on here he can do no wrong and is immune of any criticism imo. Don’t get me wrong he is a huge talent when he wants to be he should really be getting double figures home and away for the experience he has but for whatever reason he doesn’t and is so inconsistent. 

[bloom89]

9 hours ago, ruffdiamond said:

You could look at is as, he only dropped points to Schlien, who is no mug. I think there was other areas of the team that let us down tonight.

Yeah that’s true.... he’s more than good enough to do it on a regular basis it’s frustrating. Yeah absolutely you wouldn’t have expected Wethers to not trouble the scorers considering he’s been pretty steady since he’s signed for us.

[ruffdiamond]

2 hours ago, bringbackHalifax said:

 

Once Rory had won the sling shot off turn two in ht15 Ludvig let Tero get ahead and sat mid track protecting the 3 all for a draw.

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Surely, that can't be right,,, after all he's all for himself and wouldn't know how to look after his partner

A no.1s score last night, Tero still impresses thus far, Ash a bit below par (maybe he's set the bar high so far),,, not impressed with the rest and seemed to give points away. The ht 10 decision gifted us a life-line and luckily we took it. 

[First Bend]

It is not Ludvig we need to worry about it is Matthew Wethers who needs to step up to the mark. His contribution last night was zero and that cost us a possible victory.

So far this season he has been very disappointing.

[Gating tart]

11 hours ago, Dandelion said:

Some people just will never be happy with Ludvig... He scored 17+1 and beat a very fast looking Rory Schlein and you're still criticising him... Point is, he beat the riders in front of him tonight and that's all he can do, whether that's a team of '3 reserves' (I'm sorry but I only saw two) and a hitty missy Ben Barker

Let’s see how long it’s lasts it’s only one good meeting! Hopefully he can keep it up 

[Tsunami]

4 hours ago, Gating tart said:

Let’s see how long it’s lasts it’s only one good meeting! Hopefully he can keep it up 

It you knew the frequency of his engine problems, the rare events that have happened to key parts in his engines, the number of engines he has bought, the money it has cost him, the tuners like Wilson who are working for him at the moment, well last night things worked very well for him and we had a true Ludde performance. Long may it continue, and hope his engine problems are over. if you don't like guy fair enough, but for christ sake respect the fact that he is doing his head in trying to sort it out and last night he did it. Rant over.

[leander]

4 hours ago, ruffdiamond said:

Surely, that can't be right,,, after all he's all for himself and wouldn't know how to look after his partner

A no.1s score last night, Tero still impresses thus far, Ash a bit below par (maybe he's set the bar high so far),,, not impressed with the rest and seemed to give points away. The ht 10 decision gifted us a life-line and luckily we took it. 

Aye. But it was the right decision. Heeps got up and made no effort to clear the track seeing Pickering was 3rd so getting the race stopped. 

I thought the ref was a bit premature in awarding heat 2. At the time it wasn't inconceivable that Ash would of passed Hume.

Some people were saying we would of lost if King had been riding. I'm not so sure Haertel would have been there as well, and I very much doubt he would have got anywhere near Pickering's 9+1. 

As for Ludvig losing to Schlein, well Schlein is riding like a No1 in the Premiership never mind our league. Matty might not have scored anything last night but he did a good job on Schlein into bend 1 in heat 13 to allow Ludvig to get away. 

If nothing else last night showed the drop in averages is doing us no favours in the choice of guests available. We need to replace Lewis (hopefully with some quality) sooner rather than later, and possibly even Robbo on a temp contract.

[ruffdiamond]

1 hour ago, leander said:

Aye. But it was the right decision. Heeps got up and made no effort to clear the track seeing Pickering was 3rd so getting the race stopped. 

I thought the ref was a bit premature in awarding heat 2. At the time it wasn't inconceivable that Ash would of passed Hume.

Some people were saying we would of lost if King had been riding. I'm not so sure Haertel would have been there as well, and I very much doubt he would have got anywhere near Pickering's 9+1. 

As for Ludvig losing to Schlein, well Schlein is riding like a No1 in the Premiership never mind our league. Matty might not have scored anything last night but he did a good job on Schlein into bend 1 in heat 13 to allow Ludvig to get away. 

If nothing else last night showed the drop in averages is doing us no favours in the choice of guests available. We need to replace Lewis (hopefully with some quality) sooner rather than later, and possibly even Robbo on a temp contract.

If Heeps had have cleared the track, I wouldn't have bet against Pickering passing 1, or both Diamonds, (he actually nearly did),,, Schlien has almost 2pts on Ludde, but some suggest he should be beating the likes of him at home. I didn't say the decision was wrong, but agreed it was 'a bit harsh'. We were let down in other departments last night, which I think have been 'highlighted'.

Edited May 7, 2018 by ruffdiamond

[Gating tart]

7 hours ago, Tsunami said:

It you knew the frequency of his engine problems, the rare events that have happened to key parts in his engines, the number of engines he has bought, the money it has cost him, the tuners like Wilson who are working for him at the moment, well last night things worked very well for him and we had a true Ludde performance. Long may it continue, and hope his engine problems are over. if you don't like guy fair enough, but for christ sake respect the fact that he is doing his head in trying to sort it out and last night he did it. Rant over.

It’s the same for all riders they all have to spend big money on engines so nothing new there ! And after 7 years at Newcastle he should know what works around Newcastle by now ie how he likes a engine  set up from a tuners and what sprocket,jet,and timing to use ! I never once said I didn’t like him but i pay my money every week like everyone else so I’ll have my opinion when he doesn’t pull his weight end of 

[Tsunami]

17 minutes ago, Gating tart said:

It’s the same for all riders they all have to spend big money on engines so nothing new there ! And after 7 years at Newcastle he should know what works around Newcastle by now ie how he likes a engine  set up from a tuners and what sprocket,jet,and timing to use ! I never once said I didn’t like him but i pay my money every week like everyone else so I’ll have my opinion when he doesn’t pull his weight end of 

Totally missed the point of course. It's not he hasn't pulled his weight, it is the freak mechanical problems he has had and the amount of money and time he has spent to try and conquer the problems. Yes he is frustrating at times, but the guru tuners have been working on his problems and 2 brand new engines and many thousand points later, he is emerging from the problems through being committed to get it right. Pity you didn't just tell him to pull his socks up, and he and we would have been spared all the grief.

You have your opinion, but I would rather judge him on facts.

[Fromafar]

24 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

Totally missed the point of course. It's not he hasn't pulled his weight, it is the freak mechanical problems he has had and the amount of money and time he has spent to try and conquer the problems. Yes he is frustrating at times, but the guru tuners have been working on his problems and 2 brand new engines and many thousand points later, he is emerging from the problems through being committed to get it right. Pity you didn't just tell him to pull his socks up, and he and we would have been spared all the grief.

You have your opinion, but I would rather judge him on facts.

I must admit and a few of my road racing friends can't understand these setup and mechanical problems that riders seem to have season after season.They ride the same tracks every season yet struggle every season.The engine itself is not a complicated  or sophisticated piece of equipment but seems to cause no end of troubles for seasoned riders. 

[Tsunami]

26 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

I must admit and a few of my road racing friends can't understand these setup and mechanical problems that riders seem to have season after season.They ride the same tracks every season yet struggle every season.The engine itself is not a complicated  or sophisticated piece of equipment but seems to cause no end of troubles for seasoned riders. 

In Ludde's case this year, there are parts in his engines which have broke in leading positions, more that other seasoned riders have never experience or only once in a long career.

in addition , but I don't know if this is the case with Ludde, it is reported that there is a rogue batch of GM's this year. Ludde has bought two new engines and Wilson has been involved to get to the bottom of his problems. On Sunday he looked he was comfortable and confident and really back to his best. But others just think he should just  'pull his socks up' 

[Gating tart]

54 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

Totally missed the point of course. It's not he hasn't pulled his weight, it is the freak mechanical problems he has had and the amount of money and time he has spent to try and conquer the problems. Yes he is frustrating at times, but the guru tuners have been working on his problems and 2 brand new engines and many thousand points later, he is emerging from the problems through being committed to get it right. Pity you didn't just tell him to pull his socks up, and he and we would have been spared all the grief.

You have your opinion, but I would rather judge him on facts.

Your going on about spending thousands for engines again Nothing new all riders spend thousands on engines !! All riders put in loads of time and effort and commitment in to racing so why you making out that he’s doing something special ? When every rider puts in loads of energy and effort in to riding speedway or what’s the point  

[ruffdiamond]

46 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

I must admit and a few of my road racing friends can't understand these setup and mechanical problems that riders seem to have season after season.They ride the same tracks every season yet struggle every season.The engine itself is not a complicated  or sophisticated piece of equipment but seems to cause no end of troubles for seasoned riders. 

Not trying to have a go at anyone, but surely road racing is about speed and sticking to the road best you can and,,,, you have the use of brakes and a gearbox to help control the bike. Not the same as speedway, where its about grip and slip with only really having a throttle to help control the bike. My brother and friends have their Fireblades and Hanspree bikes, usually out all day on Sundays in the summer, but they wouldn't last long on cinders.

[Fromafar]

9 hours ago, ruffdiamond said:

Not trying to have a go at anyone, but surely road racing is about speed and sticking to the road best you can and,,,, you have the use of brakes and a gearbox to help control the bike. Not the same as speedway, where its about grip and slip with only really having a throttle to help control the bike. My brother and friends have their Fireblades and Hanspree bikes, usually out all day on Sundays in the summer, but they wouldn't last long on cinders.

I am not talking about riding the bike,why do journeymen speedway riders sell their equipment that working perfectly fine and serviced regular,only to find they can't seem to get their new stuff to work for half a season .Better to be tuner than a rider nowadays a lot of money to be made!.Harris is perfect example.If it's not broken why mend it!

[ruffdiamond]

54 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

I am not talking about riding the bike,why do journeymen speedway riders sell their equipment that working perfectly fine and serviced regular,only to find they can't seem to get their new stuff to work for half a season .Better to be tuner than a rider nowadays a lot of money to be made!.Harris is perfect example.If it's not broken why mend it!

The 'set up' thing used to boggle me, but after taliking about it with others, it made more sense. Speedway bikes are only really controlled off the throttle, so varying track conditions play a lot in the throttle response.

Why riders get rid of stuff, maybe has something to do with only 'having the best gear',,, much the same as having the latest i-phone, la la la,,, whereas many a wiser person, can make good use out of what they've had for a while and, get their moneys worth. 'Make do and mend',,, but there will come a time when it has do be replaced. Myself, I won't throw a pair of socks out, until I have a hole in both of them

[Fromafar]

24 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

The 'set up' thing used to boggle me, but after taliking about it with others, it made more sense. Speedway bikes are only really controlled off the throttle, so varying track conditions play a lot in the throttle response.

Why riders get rid of stuff, maybe has something to do with only 'having the best gear',,, much the same as having the latest i-phone, la la la,,, whereas many a wiser person, can make good use out of what they've had for a while and, get their moneys worth. 'Make do and mend',,, but there will come a time when it has do be replaced. Myself, I won't throw a pair of socks out, until I have a hole in both of them

Ivan Mauger used a notebook for every "set-up and track conditions" didn't do him any harm.! Half the riders are kidding themselves these days,as long as the have a flash van sign written and a couple of bikes they think they have "made it".