screm Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 I understand its all about the rules and regs but its just plain daft that should Newcastle decide to sign Matej Kus, their own rider, they would need to pay a loan fee to Redcar who have decided to sack him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 55 minutes ago, idanthyrsus said: Rather depends what was written in the contract Unless we know that then everything else is mere speculation... You either sign a season long loan contract, or say a 28 days loan contract. Terms are between the hiring club and the rider so there is no variables that are unknown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, Tsunami said: You either sign a season long loan contract, or say a 28 days loan contract. Terms are between the hiring club and the rider so there is no variables that are unknown. How about Kus on a 28(?) day thingy ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 On 6/4/2018 at 12:04 AM, StevePark said: 28 day facility for Lewis Rose ended tonight, so we either 1) have to sign someone for Scunthorpe on Friday, or, 2) it will be an NL guest. Stuart Robson hopes to be back soon. 6 hours ago, Tsunami said: Of course everyone is missing the fact, especially with the dearth of riders that are free and available at the moment, that the Diamonds and George may have been given another 28 days extension which is normal practice for similar cases. #justsayinglike This 'exception that is being taken by Berwick folks on this issue, must have spread to a certain member of their promotion, who pointed out that I was running the later NJL meeting without any redflaggers in attendance tut tut. That was because it was between races and they had rakes in their hands at the time raking, and their flags were on the grass. I pointed them out individually to him, and gave him their names one at a time. It must of been something in the Berwick tea on Sunday tut tut. It was your fellow Newcastle fan who brought the point up about the function running out not me. I had no idea if Newcastle had another 28 day facility or not but as another Newcastle fan has basically said, if they have it should have been confirmed to the fans before Sunday's meeting. #justsayinglike Since I have taken exception could you explain why Newcastle fans are saying that a 28 day facility run out after 29 days. Could you confirm what facilities are available to teams when a rider takes time out/retires? Could you also confirm what other teams have had an extension to the facility for a rider retiring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond geezer Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Roy mentioned on Sunday that if we didn’t have an announcement by close Sunday we would have one on Tuesday night re: new signing. I won’t be there tonight but look forward to seeing who it is........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbackHalifax Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Kus is the new signing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbieblackadder fan club Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 And that makes us stronger.......how........if true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauger65 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 22 hours ago, mauger65 said: yep … the clock is ticking ……………… kus is sadly looking the obvious likely replacement as he is better than a nl guest and is ONLY ONE available and is ours ….. and apparently not riding much in Poland …………. I don't have anything against kus …. but when we have 9.24 available … to sign up a lad out of form on 4.76 is hardly progessive ……. but its a sad state of affairs we cant find anyone who will ride for us ….. poor promoters have only been looking for 4 months you heard it here first lol I like kus and he's better than a nl guest ……… but this is hardly the signing we need ,,,,,,,,,,,, our team average is now 37.50 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbieblackadder fan club Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Can they get fined for an under strength team is there a minimum stipulated by the bspa......hardly likely to get the fans swarming back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 more than capable of upping his average came to Berwick as a reserve ended up Number 1 the year we made playoffs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Tsunami said: You either sign a season long loan contract, or say a 28 days loan contract. Terms are between the hiring club and the rider so there is no variables that are unknown. You can write what you want in a contract - as long as both sides sign it. It is then legally binding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, idanthyrsus said: You can write what you want in a contract - as long as both sides sign it. It is then legally binding. Assuming the contents of the contract are legal in the first place Edited June 5, 2018 by KevH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tsunami said: You either sign a season long loan contract, or say a 28 days loan contract. Terms are between the hiring club and the rider so there is no variables that are unknown. The variables are by what contract was initially signed when somebody becomes an 'asset' of a club and claim to own a certain rider. If there is no contract then how any club can claim to own a certain rider is beyond me. If there is a contract, it would be picked to pieces in a court of law. Edited June 5, 2018 by Najjer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond@heart Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Hmmmm that's an interesting signing if true, I suppose he is better than a NL guest but not sure how it makes us stronger, we'll just have to wait and see. Scunthorpe should be interesting on Friday!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 16 hours ago, Tsunami said: And what law is that then ?. A club, not using their asset, enters into a loan agreement with another club and the rider and everyone is happy. It doesn't work out, and the owning club tries to get him placed with another club and the releasing club gets back some of the loan fee. Who lost out and what law was broken. His contract was terminated, so anything in that contract would be void. Are you saying therefore that loan fees have nothing to do with his contract whereby it does not apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 11 hours ago, idanthyrsus said: You can write what you want in a contract - as long as both sides sign it. It is then legally binding. The loan agreement is a standard document that all three party's sign to the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 11 hours ago, Najjer said: The variables are by what contract was initially signed when somebody becomes an 'asset' of a club and claim to own a certain rider. If there is no contract then how any club can claim to own a certain rider is beyond me. If there is a contract, it would be picked to pieces in a court of law. You should know that there is a contract, and it is a standard document that both parties sign. The rider has a separate contract regarding his terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tsunami said: The loan agreement is a standard document that all three party's sign to the deal. Which is a very different thing to saying that we know everything in a contract. I'm not precious about this, but it sounds like: - All loan agreements are formed from standard templates that include the rider, the hiring club and the owning club - All the termination clauses are therefore known and if the hiring club terminates the contract (presumably with some penalties?) then the rider will be contracted to the owning club In which case we are all good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbieblackadder fan club Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 It is what it is regarding loan fees but a very poor signing and leaves us with only 1 heat leader and a team of reserves and second strings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrace Grumbler Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 34 minutes ago, robbieblackadder fan club said: It is what it is regarding loan fees but a very poor signing and leaves us with only 1 heat leader and a team of reserves and second strings Kus may not have been my choice but the fact is that (as La Dandelion has already pointed out) George, the team and Matej himself got him to a 7 point average in 2016. It hasn't worked out for him at Redcar for whatever reason but it's in everyone's interests for him to have a very different second half of the season and I'm sure we'll all get behind him. Every team can find room for an out-and-out gater and he will have to be ours. I've no idea how he goes round the EWR but I hope he gets off to a good start on Friday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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