leander Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, sparks123 said: Not sure what you are on about as it is the Ipswich home match where the facility would have started (on 6th May) not the Ipswich away match (26th April) or the Sheffield home meeting (April 29th). Newcastle had an injury guest for Sheffield but Lewis retired/ took time out the next day (April 30th). As I said earlier could you tell me what facility was used for the Ipswich home match (Kevin Doolan guesting and RR for Stuart) if it wasn't the start of the 28 days? As I said earlier, probably a sick note. He couldn't be deemed to be "withholding his services" if he was on the sick and unfit to ride. Only when it was said he was fit to ride can he be said to be withholding his services. I would have thought that all team managers, referees, officials, etc. would have been advised of when the facility started and expires. The fact that no-one has complained/queried it before, during, or after the weekend (they could easily deduct the points scored by R/R) suggests that it was all legit as far as I'm concerned. Don't tell me no-one from BSPA reads this rubbish on here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrace Grumbler Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 9 hours ago, StevePark said: I think you will find Dandelion is a her!! Humble apologies, Ms. Lion! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 11 hours ago, leander said: As I said earlier, probably a sick note. He couldn't be deemed to be "withholding his services" if he was on the sick and unfit to ride. Only when it was said he was fit to ride can he be said to be withholding his services. I would have thought that all team managers, referees, officials, etc. would have been advised of when the facility started and expires. The fact that no-one has complained/queried it before, during, or after the weekend (they could easily deduct the points scored by R/R) suggests that it was all legit as far as I'm concerned. Don't tell me no-one from BSPA reads this rubbish on here. Of course everyone is missing the fact, especially with the dearth of riders that are free and available at the moment, that the Diamonds and George may have been given another 28 days extension which is normal practice for similar cases. #justsayinglike This 'exception that is being taken by Berwick folks on this issue, must have spread to a certain member of their promotion, who pointed out that I was running the later NJL meeting without any redflaggers in attendance tut tut. That was because it was between races and they had rakes in their hands at the time raking, and their flags were on the grass. I pointed them out individually to him, and gave him their names one at a time. It must of been something in the Berwick tea on Sunday tut tut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 19 hours ago, slyfox said: Kus would be the obvious answer to come in. He is a club asset (no loan fee). He is available. Talking to him on Thursday he said he has not ridden in Poland this year. So unlikely he will for a while till his UK form improves. We would have to pay Redcar a loan fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 18 hours ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Yes but that’s not including the first Sunday... That’s how many days are in between... anyone that can count to 28 can say that if day 1 was Sunday the 6th of May then day 28 is Saturday the 2nd and Newcastle are a bunch of cheats...Yesterday was day 29 minimum of a 28 day facility and your ex-Management commitee member is a cheat just because he cant find a rider that fits even though Redcar have brought in 2 heat leaders in the space of time you’s have been ‘looking’... Totally different case signing a rider for a team with Thursday home meetings and a team that rides on a Sunday. If he was decent, he would be riding in Poland and probably no facility to replace him. Now that would be crazy for both Newcastle, the sport and the FANS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauger65 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 42 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Of course everyone is missing the fact, especially with the dearth of riders that are free and available at the moment, that the Diamonds and George may have been given another 28 days extension which is normal practice for similar cases. #justsayinglike This 'exception that is being taken by Berwick folks on this issue, must have spread to a certain member of their promotion, who pointed out that I was running the later NJL meeting without any redflaggers in attendance tut tut. That was because it was between races and they had rakes in their hands at the time raking, and their flags were on the grass. I pointed them out individually to him, and gave him their names one at a time. It must of been something in the Berwick tea on Sunday tut tut. Fair point .... but if this so why hasn't it been communicated by either the BSPA or Newcastle .............. its just typical of the sport that the paying public are kept in the dark ... for no good reason If we turn up with a guest at Scunthorpe there will be more claims of foul play !! however, as the conspiracy cranks will point out do the rules allow it ? do the rules only allow the granting of one 28 day period ........ and that the BSPA are bending the rules in providing an extension to Newcastle because of the difficult circumstances ..... its not like BSPA havent bent rules in the past (or frankly ignored them) however, rules are rules and i think opposition teams would be quite right to be unhappy...... although its not the promoters fault the simple fact is it is upto Newcastlte to field a side and if it is an under strength side then so be it - lets face it the original 7 would not have been their team of choice and was the best they could do ............... what is more worryling is Newcastle's future if we cannot attract any decent riders because of this Polish situation ...... other teams have been able to move from a Sunday .... but econoimically we have to ride Sundays ...... i think our crowds have held up well and accepted the 2018 situation ... however if this continues into 2019 i think it will be challenging to say the least ...... scraping home wins and being thumped away wont attract new support anyway I dont know the rules but likewise no one seems to know whats going on with this facilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Tsunami said: We would have to pay Redcar a loan fee. WHY ? They sacked him, and you own him, would be different if he left and you signed him, you would then have to re-pay their loan fee to you as compensation. This is not the case, as they incurred their own loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, balderdash&piffle said: WHY ? They sacked him, and you own him, would be different if he left and you signed him, you would then have to re-pay their loan fee to you as compensation. This is not the case, as they incurred their own loss. Only in speedway eh.... funny old game this asset lark! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, balderdash&piffle said: WHY ? They sacked him, and you own him, would be different if he left and you signed him, you would then have to re-pay their loan fee to you as compensation. This is not the case, as they incurred their own loss. Once Redcar took him on loan for the year and paid the fee, he us their rider for that year. If they loan him to say Peterborough, Peterborough would pay Redcar for the rest of the year pro rate fee. Substitute Newcastle for Peterborough and the same applies. Call it a loan fee or compensation, it amounts to the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Najjer said: Only in speedway eh.... funny old game this asset lark! It would be more stupid if Kus came back to Newcastle, and we got another loan free for the same period that Redcar had paid for from another club. What would be your solution that wouldn't sound odd ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Tsunami said: It would be more stupid if Kus came back to Newcastle, and we got another loan free for the same period that Redcar had paid for from another club. What would be your solution that wouldn't sound odd ? That's how it works in football. If the loaning club terminated his loan early, that is their problem quite frankly. They should of invested their investment better at the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, Najjer said: That's how it works in football. If the loaning club terminated his loan early, that is their problem quite frankly. They should of invested their investment better at the start of the season. Which is sensible for football, but it doesn't necessarily make sub contracting of a loan deal in Speedway daft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 43 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Once Redcar took him on loan for the year and paid the fee, he us their rider for that year. If they loan him to say Peterborough, Peterborough would pay Redcar for the rest of the year pro rate fee. Substitute Newcastle for Peterborough and the same applies. Call it a loan fee or compensation, it amounts to the same thing. His contract is terminated, talk about a private club flaunting employment law. One day a rider is going to take the private club all the way in employment law, and the sooner that day comes the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Tsunami said: We would have to pay Redcar a loan fee. Yes and they signed him as a 7 point rider so the loan fee should be appropriate to that. If we sign him back then he is only a 4 point rider so we should be paying them less than they are paying us. . Deal! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Which is sensible for football, but it doesn't necessarily make sub contracting of a loan deal in Speedway daft. You can't honestly believe that a club who have terminated his loan deal and sacked him, then potentially recieving a loan fee off the club they loaned him from initially is 'sensible' can you? Like I said, only in speedway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, Najjer said: You can't honestly believe that a club who have terminated his loan deal and sacked him, then potentially recieving a loan fee off the club they loaned him from initially is 'sensible' can you? Like I said, only in speedway! EXACTLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 17 hours ago, sparks123 said: The comment was mainly aimed at Ruffdiamond with his car-park comment. And mine was just tongue in cheek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 2 hours ago, mauger65 said: Fair point .... but if this so why hasn't it been communicated by either the BSPA or Newcastle .............. its just typical of the sport that the paying public are kept in the dark ... for no good reason If we turn up with a guest at Scunthorpe there will be more claims of foul play !! however, as the conspiracy cranks will point out do the rules allow it ? do the rules only allow the granting of one 28 day period ........ and that the BSPA are bending the rules in providing an extension to Newcastle because of the difficult circumstances ..... its not like BSPA havent bent rules in the past (or frankly ignored them) however, rules are rules and i think opposition teams would be quite right to be unhappy...... although its not the promoters fault the simple fact is it is upto Newcastlte to field a side and if it is an under strength side then so be it - lets face it the original 7 would not have been their team of choice and was the best they could do ............... what is more worryling is Newcastle's future if we cannot attract any decent riders because of this Polish situation ...... other teams have been able to move from a Sunday .... but econoimically we have to ride Sundays ...... i think our crowds have held up well and accepted the 2018 situation ... however if this continues into 2019 i think it will be challenging to say the least ...... scraping home wins and being thumped away wont attract new support anyway I dont know the rules but likewise no one seems to know whats going on with this facilty Not sure the BSPA/SCB do either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, balderdash&piffle said: His contract is terminated, talk about a private club flaunting employment law. One day a rider is going to take the private club all the way in employment law, and the sooner that day comes the better. And what law is that then ?. A club, not using their asset, enters into a loan agreement with another club and the rider and everyone is happy. It doesn't work out, and the owning club tries to get him placed with another club and the releasing club gets back some of the loan fee. Who lost out and what law was broken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 57 minutes ago, Tsunami said: And what law is that then ?. A club, not using their asset, enters into a loan agreement with another club and the rider and everyone is happy. It doesn't work out, and the owning club tries to get him placed with another club and the releasing club gets back some of the loan fee. Who lost out and what law was broken. Rather depends what was written in the contract Unless we know that then everything else is mere speculation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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