Newcastle 2018

[mauger65]

well assuming we do survive ... there's not much left for Newcastle or redcar or workington

I could easily see the following

1  tbd     2 rose 6.49   3 kus 7.03   4 robson 7.02   5 lindgren 7.21   6 morris 4.98    7 Philips 2.00

leaving 7.77 for our number 1 

theres little out there 

rene bach at 7.46     ty proctor 7.15 or Jorgensen 7.10   .... of course luddo would become our no 1 if the latter 2 signed

we would be cruelly exposed at heats 13 and 15 ............. and already Glasgow Ipswich lakeside Scunthorpe and Sheffield look way better

Edinburgh and peterboro should be ok sides ..........

at least we should give Berwick a run for their money - and heaven help Workington and redcar with their 3 signings to date

geez not even 2018 and I cant see us finishing higher than 8th !!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ch958]

9 hours ago, mauger65 said:

well assuming we do survive ... there's not much left for Newcastle or redcar or workington

I could easily see the following

1  tbd     2 rose 6.49   3 kus 7.03   4 robson 7.02   5 lindgren 7.21   6 morris 4.98    7 Philips 2.00

leaving 7.77 for our number 1 

theres little out there 

rene bach at 7.46     ty proctor 7.15 or Jorgensen 7.10   .... of course luddo would become our no 1 if the latter 2 signed

we would be cruelly exposed at heats 13 and 15 ............. and already Glasgow Ipswich lakeside Scunthorpe and Sheffield look way better

Edinburgh and peterboro should be ok sides ..........

at least we should give Berwick a run for their money - and heaven help Workington and redcar with their 3 signings to date

geez not even 2018 and I cant see us finishing higher than 8th !!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'heaven help Redcar' = what you on about? My understanding is our septet is all but signed and sealed and being announced when they're good and ready to announce, which may well be the case for the Diamonds.

[Mad Max]

11 hours ago, mauger65 said:

well assuming we do survive ... there's not much left for Newcastle or redcar or workington

I could easily see the following

1  tbd     2 rose 6.49   3 kus 7.03   4 robson 7.02   5 lindgren 7.21   6 morris 4.98    7 Philips 2.00

leaving 7.77 for our number 1 

theres little out there 

rene bach at 7.46     ty proctor 7.15 or Jorgensen 7.10   .... of course luddo would become our no 1 if the latter 2 signed

we would be cruelly exposed at heats 13 and 15 ............. and already Glasgow Ipswich lakeside Scunthorpe and Sheffield look way better

Edinburgh and peterboro should be ok sides ..........

at least we should give Berwick a run for their money - and heaven help Workington and redcar with their 3 signings to date

geez not even 2018 and I cant see us finishing higher than 8th !!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Morris at reserve could well be a trump card.

I wouldn't be too dismissive of Redcar, they are openly stating that team is sorted and the one rider they have announced is a genuine threat in heats 13 & 15 against any team.

I agree the 5 teams you mention look good and I expect Edinburgh to make it 6, so we could be in a mini league for 7-11,....

BUT ...you never know  !!

[Dandelion]

Wouldn't mind Wolverhampton's reserve pairing being ours too  Although it'd be difficult to fit in, also, would Alfie get a 2.5% reduction?

1. Sam Masters 8.57

2. Tero Aarnio 5.02

3. Stuart Robson 7.02/Ty Proctor 7.15

4. Ludvig Lindgren 7.21

5. Rene Bach 7.53/Matej Kus 7.64

6. Ashley Morris 4.88/Nathan Greaves 4.51

7. Alfie Bowtell 2.14

Total: 42.37

I'm dreaming, thinking that Masters or Rene will be riding for us... I think Kus is more likely than Rene and it wouldn't be too bad, I would like to see Tero Back, but only if he's at 2 or 6, he was very entertaining to watch and a strong number 2... Always liked Robson, give him the captain's armband, and of course... The loveable and liked by all Ludvig Lindgren, he did well at 4 last year imo and he would make a great partnership with either Robson/Bach/Kus at 3 and 4. And as stated on this thread, Ashley could well be the trump card at reserve, and he gives 110% EVER race from start to finish, another entertainer

This might not be the strongest team in the league, but hell, it'd be VERY entertaining to watch, especially at home, strong all the way throughout and it'll be fun watching Alfie's progression throughout the year, I think we need to sign Alfie quick!! If Lakeside are over the limit, maybe they will drop Morley for Alfie

Edited December 13, 2017 by Dandelion

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

Masters isn't riding Championship...

[bringbackHalifax]

Masters not in champs

Proctor at Worky  Prob 3danes 2 Aussie and Bewley and bickley

Rene at Worky

Kus at Redcar

Rose in Poland

Very hard to see riders committing to only 28 meetings over 31 weeks. Need doubling up with U.K. or abroad or it’s financial suicide.

agree with 2 leagues ( top 6 bottom 5 ) and wonder why the 8 point rule wasn’t introduced for this league as well.

the above is only my opinion as is not based on rumours

[foamfence]

11 minutes ago, bringbackHalifax said:

Masters not in champs

Proctor at Worky  Prob 3danes 2 Aussie and Bewley and bickley

Rene at Worky

Kus at Redcar

Rose in Poland

Very hard to see riders committing to only 28 meetings over 31 weeks. Need doubling up with U.K. or abroad or it’s financial suicide.

agree with 2 leagues ( top 6 bottom 5 ) and wonder why the 8 point rule wasn’t introduced for this league as well.

the above is only my opinion as is not based on rumours

Kus at Redcar? Hope not!

[Dandelion]

39 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said:

Masters isn't riding Championship...

Isn't he? I thought he just wasn't at Edinburgh, thanks for information, well just another rider around his average instead then... Oh wait, there isn't any left

[Dandelion]

14 minutes ago, bringbackHalifax said:

Masters not in champs

Proctor at Worky  Prob 3danes 2 Aussie and Bewley and bickley

Rene at Worky

Kus at Redcar

Rose in Poland

Very hard to see riders committing to only 28 meetings over 31 weeks. Need doubling up with U.K. or abroad or it’s financial suicide.

agree with 2 leagues ( top 6 bottom 5 ) and wonder why the 8 point rule wasn’t introduced for this league as well.

the above is only my opinion as is not based on rumours

Wasn't aware

Probably

Hope not, Rene is my one hope of maybe having a decentish number 1 if he kicks on again

Doubt Kus will be at Redcar, I can see him at Brough if we run

And does he ride Sundays in Poland? Some says he will and some says he wont... In that case, Rene won't be back then as he's signed for Polish team hasn't he?

[balderdash&piffle]

16 minutes ago, Dandelion said:

Wasn't aware

Probably

Hope not, Rene is my one hope of maybe having a decentish number 1 if he kicks on again

Doubt Kus will be at Redcar, I can see him at Brough if we run

And does he ride Sundays in Poland? Some says he will and some says he wont... In that case, Rene won't be back then as he's signed for Polish team hasn't he?

I believe Matej has signed for a Polish club, not totally sure on that, if so out of the equation for Newcastle

[diamond@heart]

45 minutes ago, bringbackHalifax said:

Masters not in champs

Proctor at Worky  Prob 3danes 2 Aussie and Bewley and bickley

Rene at Worky (Doubt it, I'm sure he said he would ride for only Newcastle or Glasgow, has he not signed for a Polish team?)

Kus at Redcar (Highly unlikely, more likely to be in our squad)

Rose in Poland

Very hard to see riders committing to only 28 meetings over 31 weeks. Need doubling up with U.K. or abroad or it’s financial suicide.

agree with 2 leagues ( top 6 bottom 5 ) and wonder why the 8 point rule wasn’t introduced for this league as well.

the above is only my opinion as is not based on rumours

 

[mauger65]

4 hours ago, ch958 said:

'heaven help Redcar' = what you on about? My understanding is our septet is all but signed and sealed and being announced when they're good and ready to announce, which may well be the case for the Diamonds.

I only meant it in the sense redcar have only announced 1 - and given whats available -  I don't read the redcar webpage so im unaware they have their 7 lined up - no offence was intended at our lovely local rivals :-)

as for newcastles lineup - I just hinted it will be probably made up of our assets and brough favourites - of course no one is really sure whose signed up for what in Poland

perhaps that's why there is such silence ...........  never mind sponsorship ...... but George could be struggling to actually pull together a competitive team ............  and without that he knows crowds will struggle  

with 5 top class heat leaders leaving the league, 1 extra team, it left a dearth of top end talent ............. and the 5 teams quickest to the draw have snaffled up those available

I think Newcastle Workington Berwick and redcar should form their own breakaway league ...............   we could still have a league , knock out cup, pairs and four team tournament rounded off with a riders championship (4 from each team) and end of season playoffs for the top 2  as well as the tyne-tweed cup, tyne-tees cup, tweed-tees cup etc ..........  it will probably be our only hope of winning anything

 

 

 

[Dandelion]

3 minutes ago, mauger65 said:

I only meant it in the sense redcar have only announced 1 - and given whats available -  I don't read the redcar webpage so im unaware they have their 7 lined up - no offence was intended at our lovely local rivals :-)

as for newcastles lineup - I just hinted it will be probably made up of our assets and brough favourites - of course no one is really sure whose signed up for what in Poland

perhaps that's why there is such silence ...........  never mind sponsorship ...... but George could be struggling to actually pull together a competitive team ............  and without that he knows crowds will struggle  

with 5 top class heat leaders leaving the league, 1 extra team, it left a dearth of top end talent ............. and the 5 teams quickest to the draw have snaffled up those available

I think Newcastle Workington Berwick and redcar should form their own breakaway league ...............   we could still have a league , knock out cup, pairs and four team tournament rounded off with a riders championship (4 from each team) and end of season playoffs for the top 2  as well as the tyne-tweed cup, tyne-tees cup, tweed-tees cup etc ..........  it will probably be our only hope of winning anything

 

 

 

Wouldn't the riders championship, 4 from each team be exactly the same as the fours? And also the pairs would also be 4 from each team

[ch958]

1 hour ago, mauger65 said:

I only meant it in the sense redcar have only announced 1 - and given whats available -  I don't read the redcar webpage so im unaware they have their 7 lined up - no offence was intended at our lovely local rivals :-)

as for newcastles lineup - I just hinted it will be probably made up of our assets and brough favourites - of course no one is really sure whose signed up for what in Poland

perhaps that's why there is such silence ...........  never mind sponsorship ...... but George could be struggling to actually pull together a competitive team ............  and without that he knows crowds will struggle  

with 5 top class heat leaders leaving the league, 1 extra team, it left a dearth of top end talent ............. and the 5 teams quickest to the draw have snaffled up those available

I think Newcastle Workington Berwick and redcar should form their own breakaway league ...............   we could still have a league , knock out cup, pairs and four team tournament rounded off with a riders championship (4 from each team) and end of season playoffs for the top 2  as well as the tyne-tweed cup, tyne-tees cup, tweed-tees cup etc ..........  it will probably be our only hope of winning anything

 

 

 

 

actually you might be joking but i wouldnt mind a spring tournament amongst those 4

[RedcarRacer]

20 minutes ago, ch958 said:

 

actually you might be joking but i wouldnt mind a spring tournament amongst those 4

Dont you get sick of riding against the same old teams? nothing worse than facing Newcastle four or five times a year, same with Berwick - pointless and boring.

[Tsunami]

3 minutes ago, RedcarRacer said:

Dont you get sick of riding against the same old teams? nothing worse than facing Newcastle four or five times a year, same with Berwick - pointless and boring.

Uptil this year, it was to give you more of a chance to get a win. 

But I agree, too many devalues the contests.

[balderdash&piffle]

23 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

Uptil this year, it was to give you more of a chance to get a win. 

But I agree, too many devalues the contests.

If only the BSPA had the common sense when they set rules for 2018, rules should apply across the board for all leagues.  It should be one sport with one set of rules, the stupidity of not setting the rule from the PL of one rider over an eight point average to CL, was a crazy decision with the consequence of creating a massive unfair advantage  within the CL.

[MattK]

5 minutes ago, balderdash&piffle said:

If only the BSPA had the common sense when they set rules for 2018, rules should apply across the board for all leagues.  It should be one sport with one set of rules, the stupidity of not setting the rule from the PL of one rider over an eight point average to CL, was a crazy decision with the consequence of creating a massive unfair advantage  within the CL.

Given that there are 17 riders who finished last season's Championship with an average over 8, that's a lot of riders arbitrarily out of a job.

The situation in the Premiership is very different.

[balderdash&piffle]

22 minutes ago, MattK said:

Given that there are 17 riders who finished last season's Championship with an average over 8, that's a lot of riders arbitrarily out of a job.

The situation in the Premiership is very different.

At least 6 of those are not riding in the CL, leaves one per team, by not having that rule it allowed the richer clubs to sign 2 No1s, depriving over half the league of a No1 rider, creating 2 leagues within one the top 5 against each other and the bottom 6 in the other half. CRAZY CRAZY just puts off the paying fan, of course unless speedway does not need paying members of the public.

Cook------Grajczonek-----Holder------Howarth ?---------Lambert------Masters------not doing CL

Edited December 13, 2017 by balderdash&piffle

[MattK]

28 minutes ago, balderdash&piffle said:

At least 6 of those are not riding in the CL, leaves one per team, by not having that rule it allowed the richer clubs to sign 2 No1s, depriving over half the league of a No1 rider, creating 2 leagues within one the top 5 against each other and the bottom 6 in the other half. CRAZY CRAZY just puts off the paying fan, of course unless speedway does not need paying members of the public.

Cook------Grajczonek-----Holder------Howarth ?---------Lambert------Masters------not doing CL

In fact, only two teams would be without a number one, Workington and Scunthorpe, if everyone re-signs at least one 8-pointer from last season. Workington have already signed Klindt, so in reality that leaves just Scunthorpe.

Of course, you are right that a richer club could poach an 8-pointer from another club, but isn't it part of teambuilding to ensure the services of the appropriate rider?

Either way it looks as if the 8-point rule won't spread the top riders around the Premiership, as clubs simply cannot afford to sign the surplus riders. This means that unless Somerset, Rye House and Kings Lynn can introduce new 8-pointers who didn't ride in 2017, they will come to the tapes without a recognised #1