Paulco Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 I agree the reasons for rejecting his inclusion should be made public . As MikeBV says , we were supposed to get transparency . If certain Monarchs fans console themselves by automatically blaming Stewart and Glasgow , then that's up to them , but the BSPA or whomever is responsible should explain themselves so that the facts are out in the open . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 He hasn't met the criteria so why appeal... especially when there are others out there (Perks, Greaves, Clegg) that are available and do meet the requirements. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmuncie Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 50 minutes ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: He hasn't met the criteria so why appeal... especially when there are others out there (Perks, Greaves, Clegg) that are available and do meet the requirements. He does meet the criteria to appeal for an endorsement hence why the Monarchs did. As confirmed by the UK Visa and Immigration agency themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 Agree that an explanation should be forthcoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, gmuncie said: He does meet the criteria to appeal for an endorsement hence why the Monarchs did. As confirmed by the UK Visa and Immigration agency themselves. The BSPA create all their own problems,just set a rule and stick to it ,don't have discretionary exceptions it just opens a can of worms as I have stated before.Virtually all remain fans want an Independant body to run certain parts of the sports. BSPA should issue a statement but that would also come if for critism IMO . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Mr Blobby said: Even with the backing of the UK visa and immigration that he has a case to be eligible to ride due to missing a round through injury that basically stopped him automatically getting his visa the BSPA committee still rejected it. Doesn’t come as a surprise with who’s on the committee, Godfrey the worst of the lot. This is where an independent panel is needed so there is no self interest. Mmmm...and you’s would know a lot of self interest ,wasn’t it only a few years ago you’re very own Alex Harkess at the helm , some of the decisions made then were in the interests of Edinburgh so maybe a bit of payback going on . There should be no discretionary acceptions , same with the farce of trying to get Kennett and Nicholls in this League Edited February 1, 2018 by Taylorj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmuncie Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, Taylorj said: Mmmm...and you’s would know a lot of self interest ,wasn’t it only a few years ago you’re very own Alex Harkess at the helm , some of the decisions made then were in the interests of Edinburgh so maybe a bit of payback going on . There should be no discretionary acceptions , same with the farce of trying to get Kennett and Nicholls in this League What decisions were these Taylorj or are you making a sweeping statement with no facts to back it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 3 hours ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Clegg anyone lol Ellis Perks might be worth a go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, foamfence said: Ellis Perks might be worth a go. Anyone know the situation with Perks? Is he sold up and back in Aus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 The BSPA have now issued Statement regarding this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: Anyone know the situation with Perks? Is he sold up and back in Aus? He has family in England, so I think he still has some gear over here. He has been posting photo's of his practising in Australia and has certainly been hoping for a team slot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 The BSPA statement is laughable, rejected it on the criteria set by the UKVI yet we had the backing of the UKVI for Luke to get a visa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr Blobby said: The BSPA statement is laughable, rejected it on the criteria set by the UKVI yet we had the backing of the UKVI for Luke to get a visa. It may well be that the UKVI have moved the goal posts , the BSPA have followed the procedure set out by the UKVI originally going by the statement. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that a Government agency have issued the wrong guidance in this case it happens on a daily basis with Government agencies across the board. So instead of blaming the BSPA continually as it appears they have followed the guidelines set out , it may well be the UKVI that aren't following there own guidelines not the first time it will have happened. Edited February 1, 2018 by Gazc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gazc said: It may well be that the UKVI have moved the goal posts , the BSPA have followed the prcedure set out by the UKVI originally going by the statement. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that a Government agency have issued the wrong guidance in this case it happens on a daily basis with Government agencies across the board. So instead of blaming the BSPA continually as it appears they have followed the guidelines set out , it may well be the UKVI that aren't following there own guidelines not the first time it will have happened. The UKVI said they would give Luke a visa on the blessing of BSPA, the committee refused to give permission and have still yet to give the club an actual reason for doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr Blobby said: The UKVI said they would give Luke a visa on the blessing of BSPA, the committee refused to give permission and have still yet to give the club an actual reason for doing so. Can't you read the BSPA website, Blobby? Secondly, the application by Edinburgh to use American rider Luke Becker has been rejected. This is based on criteria set down by UKVI and not the British Speedway Promoters’ Association and, as such, the management committee had little choice but to follow the correct procedure. This also applies to Australian Ryan Douglas who is keen to race in the UK and clubs have registered their interest in signing him – but, like Becker, he doesn’t qualify for a visa. These procedures were clarified and implemented forcibly in recent years when British Speedway ran a serious risk of losing the use of all visa riders. I think that's pretty clear. There's a procedure to be followed. Abuse it, and all visa riders could be in trouble. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 I really don't want to drag politics into this but in reality Becker & Douglas have one big problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, lucifer sam said: Can't you read the BSPA website, Blobby? Secondly, the application by Edinburgh to use American rider Luke Becker has been rejected. This is based on criteria set down by UKVI and not the British Speedway Promoters’ Association and, as such, the management committee had little choice but to follow the correct procedure. This also applies to Australian Ryan Douglas who is keen to race in the UK and clubs have registered their interest in signing him – but, like Becker, he doesn’t qualify for a visa. These procedures were clarified and implemented forcibly in recent years when British Speedway ran a serious risk of losing the use of all visa riders. I think that's pretty clear. There's a procedure to be followed. Abuse it, and all visa riders could be in trouble. Standard statement from the BSPA. The BSPA are entirely to blame. We as the rules state were entitled to an appeal. The club had assurance from the UKVI that he would get a visa if the BSPA committee said yes, yet they denied the appeal and are yet to still give the club an actual reason behind their decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: The UKVI said they would give Luke a visa on the blessing of BSPA, the committee refused to give permission and have still yet to give the club an actual reason for doing so. The point being the BSPA are following prcedures imposed by the UKVI wether they give blessing as you say is irrelevant as they clearly state they are following as per the guidelines issued. So they have given there reason they are following the guideline originally set out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmuncie Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Gazc said: The point being the BSPA are following prcedures imposed by the UKVI wether they give blessing as you say is irrelevant as they clearly state they are following as per the guidelines issued. So they have given there reason they are following the guideline originally set out. Why then did the UKVI say he met their criteria, the same criteria the management committee say they have rejected the appeal based on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, gmuncie said: Why then did the UKVI say he met their criteria, the same criteria the management committee say they have rejected the appeal based on? That would go against there own guidelines set out to the BSPA 2 seasons ago then. As i say its not beyond the realms of possibility they have gone against there own guidlines, it is a Government department and they never get it wrong do they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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