Edinburgh 2018

[tyretrax]

5 hours ago, Gr8scot said:

Firstly, Well done Josh

 

Sadly stalwart Bertie (Farmer) Barr has passed away this morning. Well known from his days driving the tractor and a good friend to all. Bertie was well into his 90’s and ever faithful at Edinburgh Speedway until last year

Condolences to his family. RIP Bert

Remember Bertie from the Monarchs stint at Shawfield. R.I.P.

[Uluru]

18 hours ago, JanAnderson said:

Matthew Pickering any relation?

Younger cousin

[Bagpuss]

On 04/01/2018 at 5:54 AM, Mr Blobby said:

Explanation into Joel average. 

http://edinburghmonarchs.co/news-centre/article/2018-01-03/joel-explained

And no doubt this has contributed to Perks, Jacobs and any other British lads who miss out not getting a CL ride in 2018. Marvellous.

[scaramanga]

if averages are worked out fair and simple to transfer from league to league and obviously fair for all nationalitys

i dont really have a problem who gets rides as it should work out a balance between budget and ability

if your good enough and realistic with demands you should get a place

but we all know this is speedway so that would never work out that way

 

[jenga]

i all honesty , we dont need 2 sets of averages because the 2 leagues use the same riders . apart from the odd one or two . no need for it at all . time and money saved for the people in control and no average fiddling from  the usual suspects .

[Dekker]

17 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

And no doubt this has contributed to Perks, Jacobs and any other British lads who miss out not getting a CL ride in 2018. Marvellous.

Harsh reality at least as far as jacobs is the perception he has reached his limit and unlikely to improve.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Dekker

[Bagpuss]

You could well be right and I don't think he helped himself having a year out a few seasons back but if a club invested some time and effort in him he may well be able to achieve more. He showed in 2016 at Belle Vue that in the right environment he could score decent points.

Just doesn't sit right with me that there are British lads struggling to get a ride yet we seem happy to make is easy for foreign riders to get team spots, the Brits need to be put first.

[JanAndersen]

4 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

You could well be right and I don't think he helped himself having a year out a few seasons back but if a club invested some time and effort in him he may well be able to achieve more. He showed in 2016 at Belle Vue that in the right environment he could score decent points.

Just doesn't sit right with me that there are British lads struggling to get a ride yet we seem happy to make is easy for foreign riders to get team spots, the Brits need to be put first.

Only if they're good enough though. I'm all for supporting British talent but they're not due a speedway career any more than anyone else.

[Bagpuss]

Even if they are good enough they have been shoved down the order by foreigners on bargain averages now. 

[Bandit59]

6 hours ago, Dekker said:

Harsh reality at least as far as jacobs is the perception he has reached his limit and unlikely to improve.

Now retired according to Twitter

[DC2]

12 hours ago, JanAnderson said:

Only if they're good enough though. I'm all for supporting British talent but they're not due a speedway career any more than anyone else.

 

Your sentiment is wrong. Clubs should do everything they can to encourage and keep British riders for the long term good of the sport in this country. Jacobs and Perks have both shown they can be good enough and it’s a travesty that neither has been signed.

[Fromafar]

15 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

Your sentiment is wrong. Clubs should do everything they can to encourage and keep British riders for the long term good of the sport in this country. Jacobs and Perks have both shown they can be good enough and it’s a travesty that neither has been signed.

While I agree with you.Much depends on the wage demands of these riders IMO .

[IronScorpion]

16 hours ago, JanAnderson said:

Only if they're good enough though. I'm all for supporting British talent but they're not due a speedway career any more than anyone else.

So why do the 3 main leagues in Europe(Poland, Sweden & Denmark) have rules in place for home grown riders. We had it in place & still riders like Jacobs & Nielsen could not get starting places in 2017, & now the rule has been thrown to one side. We, also, had the EDR system even though it was biased & flawed.

But, we are not the only sport that dumps Brits for foreigners!

[geoff100]

13 minutes ago, IronScorpion said:

So why do the 3 main leagues in Europe(Poland, Sweden & Denmark) have rules in place for home grown riders. We had it in place & still riders like Jacobs & Nielsen could not get starting places in 2017, & now the rule has been thrown to one side. We, also, had the EDR system even though it was biased & flawed.

But, we are not the only sport that dumps Brits for foreigners!

No look at footballs premier league

[IronScorpion]

7 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

No look at footballs premier league

That is one. This weekend, how many Brits do you think will be in the starting 11 of the 20 teams?

[JanAndersen]

4 hours ago, DC2 said:

 

Your sentiment is wrong. Clubs should do everything they can to encourage and keep British riders for the long term good of the sport in this country. Jacobs and Perks have both shown they can be good enough and it’s a travesty that neither has been signed.

It’s not wrong; it’s an opinion and a valid one at that. 

[DC2]

 

On reflection, don’t you think it would be a better policy for clubs to do their utmost to foster British riders rather than to live by the mantra “we don’t owe them a living”?

[Paulco]

10 hours ago, DC2 said:

 

On reflection, don’t you think it would be a better policy for clubs to do their utmost to foster British riders rather than to live by the mantra “we don’t owe them a living”?

And on reflection there is the argument if a British rider is good enough he'll make it anyway . Look at the strides made by Steve Worrall and Kyle Howarth  in recent seasons . You're only going to be successful by having riders increasing their average . Edinburgh's new foreign rider might do that , we know Jacobs ( with all due respect ) isn't . If results aren't that important , go to Buxton , the rest of us would enjoy the thrill of our clubs challenging for honours . You're not going to do that signing 5 point riders who will stay 5 point riders . 

[BenR195]

1 hour ago, Paulco said:

And on reflection there is the argument if a British rider is good enough he'll make it anyway . Look at the strides made by Steve Worrall and Kyle Howarth  in recent seasons . You're only going to be successful by having riders increasing their average . Edinburgh's new foreign rider might do that , we know Jacobs ( with all due respect ) isn't . If results aren't that important , go to Buxton , the rest of us would enjoy the thrill of our clubs challenging for honours . You're not going to do that signing 5 point riders who will stay 5 point riders . 

Then you get the likes of ellis perks, has his best year yet, goes from a 2.3 average to a 5.08, most improved rider of the year yet doesn’t get the chance to improve further in 2018, doesnt always help to be successful in this sport

[DC2]

2 hours ago, Paulco said:

...You're only going to be successful by having riders increasing their average . Edinburgh's new foreign rider might do that , we know Jacobs ( with all due respect ) isn't . If results aren't that important , go to Buxton , the rest of us would enjoy the thrill of our clubs challenging for honours . You're not going to do that signing 5 point riders who will stay 5 point riders . 

 

Wrong. When teams are built to 42.5 you need only one or two riders to increase their average to make it a successful team. Even if Jacobs and Perks remained five pointers for three seasons there’s still every chance they would improve after. Howarth, Iversen and even Jason Doyle are good examples of riders who were stuck in a rut for three seasons and then kicked on.