Thischarmingman Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Gazc said: Aye im sure Stewart voted for the whole committee you for real. Don't answer that think we already know your pathetic agenda. Not so charming are we. The committee is not a large group as I am sure you well know, however, if it is made public that Stewart Dickson voted in favour of the visa appeal being supported by the BSPA, I will be the first on here to apologise. Edited January 31, 2018 by Thischarmingman Minor change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 44 minutes ago, Thischarmingman said: Oh, and who is one of the wise men on the BSPA committee? It's that lovely cuddly Stewart Dickson of the friendly, helpful Glasgow Tigers. I'm sure Stewart was fighting Edinburgh's corner......... who else is on the bspa comittee any one know full list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted January 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, scaramanga said: who else is on the bspa comittee any one know full list James Grieves and Nick Morris i think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 So what are the criteria for a visa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, JanAnderson said: http://www.edinburghmonarchs.co/news-centre/article/2018-01-31/becker-blow Disappointing Would have been a great signing.If the rules are top 3 what is the point of appealing though it just opens the usual can of worms in the BSPA cupboard.The sport is a sad joke these days.Becker is a talent though IMO . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 Criteria not met - simple as. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 Stupid regulation not to let such an exciting young talent ride in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) Even with the backing of the UK visa and immigration that he has a case to be eligible to ride due to missing a round through injury that basically stopped him automatically getting his visa the BSPA committee still rejected it. Doesn’t come as a surprise with who’s on the committee, Godfrey the worst of the lot. This is where an independent panel is needed so there is no self interest. Edited January 31, 2018 by Mr Blobby 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: Even with the backing of the UK visa and immigration that he has a case to be eligible to ride due to missing a round through injury that basically stopped him automatically getting his visa the BSPA committee still rejected it. Doesn’t come as a surprise with who’s on the committee, Godfrey the worst of the lot. This is where an independent panel is needed so there is no self interest. On this basis Ipswich would be KoCup winners in 2017 Lost Schlein in leg 1 and King in leg 2 Both were in top 3 points scorers and heat winners during the season Using these average likely scores Ipswich wouldve won If Becker qualifies for a visa and a team spot then Boro need to hand over the cup.... Absurd? Yes of course it is - just like the visa appeal..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: On this basis Ipswich would be KoCup winners in 2017 Lost Schlein in leg 1 and King in leg 2 Both were in top 3 points scorers and heat winners during the season Using these average likely scores Ipswich wouldve won If Becker qualifies for a visa and a team spot then Boro need to hand over the cup.... Absurd? Yes of course it is - just like the visa appeal..... BSPA rules were followed on this one as Luke fitted the criteria for an appeal. On the basis of his injury and that he would enhance British speedway. Shame that the committee who never gave a reason For rejecting did so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) Does the visa application rules say..if you are outside criteria you can appeal?? If that's the case why bother having certain criteria.. Edited January 31, 2018 by Baldyman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Baldyman said: Does the visa application rules say..if you are outside criteria you can appeal?? If that's the case why bother having certain criteria.. Appears you can appeal according to what John Campbell posted on the Edinburgh website:- "As we attempted to leave no stone unturned in trying to get the endorsement, my co-promoter Alex even phoned UK Visa and Immigration and their official confirmed that Luke's situation seemed to fall exactly in line with the BSPA procedure, fulfilling both of the criteria for a discretionary endorsement." Personally, I do not favour any discretionary changes being made once the rules are established, and I can understand that if Monarchs were successful, then it might be seen as favouritism, whilst the likes of Lakeside were denied their initially submitted Championship GSAs for Wajtknecht & Morley. Likewise for the MC/BSPA to remain consistent, I would expect them to maintain their bar on Premier riders who do not already have a 2017 Championship GSA and whose 2017 Premier GSA is above 6.00. In essence the likes of Nicholls & Kennett should not suddenly become eligible to sign for any Championship side now, including Newcastle & Peterborough of course 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 Didn't Edinburgh used to have the 'main man' in the BSPA? Presume he made some decisions then that upset other Promoters..? Without an independent person(s) at the helm, you do naturally feel that there will always be some 'carry over' when power shifts.... Maybe by a bit of 'getting your own back' or simply (quite understandably) just covering your own teams interests now you have the opportunity to do so.. That independent body would certainly take away any thoughts of any special 'agenda' on the decisions reached.. Maybe those who make these decisions should be made to go public on how the decision was reached with every part of the appeal rejection explained in detail as to why it failed....? Edinburgh have explained publicly why they thought the appeal was valid, those 'in charge' should explain publicly why each of their points wasn't... Fans of the clubs feeling disadvantaged would still be brassed off I am sure but at least it would stop any conjecture and feelings of being hard done to... After all. Transparency was one of those key missions to be brought in to the sport wasn't it..? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 Ellis Perks would slot in there nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 24 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Ellis Perks would slot in there nicely. If he would travel and accept pay rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 6 hours ago, cyclone said: Appears you can appeal according to what John Campbell posted on the Edinburgh website:- "As we attempted to leave no stone unturned in trying to get the endorsement, my co-promoter Alex even phoned UK Visa and Immigration and their official confirmed that Luke's situation seemed to fall exactly in line with the BSPA procedure, fulfilling both of the criteria for a discretionary endorsement." Personally, I do not favour any discretionary changes being made once the rules are established, and I can understand that if Monarchs were successful, then it might be seen as favouritism, whilst the likes of Lakeside were denied their initially submitted Championship GSAs for Wajtknecht & Morley. Likewise for the MC/BSPA to remain consistent, I would expect them to maintain their bar on Premier riders who do not already have a 2017 Championship GSA and whose 2017 Premier GSA is above 6.00. In essence the likes of Nicholls & Kennett should not suddenly become eligible to sign for any Championship side now, including Newcastle & Peterborough of course Should never be any discretionary anything....who ever wants it. like you I hope rules are also not changed for other riders and teams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 Clegg anyone lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contronatura Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 What about Broc Nicol...wouldn´t he fit in ? Another exciting talent from the US...and as far as i know actual American Champion !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmuncie Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 I think the main issue here is in the decision making committees make up. whether there should be an ‘discretionary appeal’ process or not is by the by as currently there is one but the fact that team managers from 2 of Edinburgh’s direct rivals are involved in the decision is what leads to an accusation of bias. can you imagine if Jose Mourinho and Antonio Conte could veto a Man City signing that is the equivalent really. As has been said if the management committee come out with a statement as to why the appeal was rejected with valid reasoning on each point then we can see the validity of it then but I would be surprised to see that from the same cloak and dagger committee that has a vice chairman who told another promoter to break the rules last year and yet wasn’t punished. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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