King Jamie Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 1 hour ago, SCB said: Mark Riss while not a great 3rd heat leader did have a last 10 meetings average higher than his final average so his form is going the right way too. Where did you get your stats for that Sir? Mark Riss's last ten Championship meetings saw an average of only 4.67. Nowhere near his 2018 starting average of 5.76. Even taking into account the play off meeting at home to Ipswich, and losing his visit to Sheffield, the figures would only improve marginally, up to 4.88, still almost a full point below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) Erik Riss is ready to be a 'real' no1 Mark Riss and Andersson will both be big improvers and Pickering will add a bit too Edinburgh wont be too far away and will certainly be competitive Edited December 27, 2017 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Whilst I wholeheartedly applaud the jettisoning of both Clegg and Davey, as I said earlier in the thread, this Edinburgh side does nothing to inspire or excited me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 32 minutes ago, King Jamie said: Where did you get your stats for that Sir? Mark Riss's last ten Championship meetings saw an average of only 4.67. Nowhere near his 2018 starting average of 5.76. Even taking into account the play off meeting at home to Ipswich, and losing his visit to Sheffield, the figures would only improve marginally, up to 4.88, still almost a full point below. Oops yeah, I appear to have looked at his average with bonus points. Does make his signing a bit odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Looks a pretty poor team to be honest. Can’t see it troubling the play off places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 the thing here is people seem to forget that a entertaining team can get away with some poor results and most of the time the fans will only see them at home which most of the time edinburgh can make good teams look mediocre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 wow! Sorry must remember to say Edinburgh look strong next time! Sorry i cant see this team as anything other than 6th or 7th in my opinion and thats all it is opinion. Masters is a huge loss as the team just got in the play offs last season and now look much weaker without him. Last season as heat leaders, Masters , Wells and Riss and this season Wells , Riss and Riss. Sorry but to me this seasons team doesnt look as good as last seasons which finished third. Ipswich , Sheffield, Glasgow and Scunthorpe and Lakeside already look stronger to me. I may be wrong but thats what opinions are for 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 16 hours ago, SCB said: Did you complain about Covatti starting last season as a heat leader having been in reserve part of the season before? As for losing #1 Masters and not replacing him. I make it, that with bonus points that Ricky Wells was Edinburgh number 1 in 2017 anyway, without bonus points it was a tie, with or wothout bonus points he was a better away rider. I fact, at present, there are only 3 riders with a higher average than Ricky Wells in the Championship! (Worrall, King and Morris). There are only 11 with a higher average than Erik Riss too and he's improving at quite a rate. Mark Riss while not a great 3rd heat leader did have a last 10 meetings average higher than his final average so his form is going the right way too. I'd suggest that while this Edinburgh team doesn't look like favourites for the league it'll be another teams that strong at home and can pull it out of the bag a few times away from home. If one of the lower order riders does click (and they'll basically have 5 riders that they'll be hoping could become the 3rd heatleader) then it could be a very good team. Covatti wasnt reserve for long he was on a false average from his time at Sheffield and quite clearly was heat leader material. Ok so picking hairs but Masters, Wells and Riss is now Riss, Wells and Riss. Weaker heat leader trio than last season. Pickering and Andersson need to hit the ground running for sure. The team will or should do well on their tricky home track but cant see them getting to much away at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 I agree the heat leader strength is very different from last season, but Smiler decided he had to drop a league because of his ridiculous fixture schedule and we were the one he had to drop. We were also over the points limit and so had to make changes. But last season we suffered from the lack of points from our reserves especially away from home. So this season it's a change of approach with strength at the bottom end throughout the season and an expectation of big improvements from most of the team. It's a young team - Ricky is the old stager at just 26. Just a shame he has got injured out in Oz (as has Sedgy). But it's always good to be the unfancied team and JC & AH get it right far more often than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, TheScotsman said: I agree the heat leader strength is very different from last season, but Smiler decided he had to drop a league because of his ridiculous fixture schedule and we were the one he had to drop. We were also over the points limit and so had to make changes. But last season we suffered from the lack of points from our reserves especially away from home. So this season it's a change of approach with strength at the bottom end throughout the season and an expectation of big improvements from most of the team. It's a young team - Ricky is the old stager at just 26. Just a shame he has got injured out in Oz (as has Sedgy). But it's always good to be the unfancied team and JC & AH get it right far more often than not. I agree with what you are saying its just i dont think this team is good enough, i may be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, Gavan said: I agree with what you are saying its just i dont think this team is good enough, i may be wrong You may be right - only time will tell. But there certainly is a lot of potential for averages to be increased. It certainly worked for us in 2014 when we started the season with only Cookie & Smiler as recognised heat leaders and Derek Sneddon in the main body of the team. But Sedgy & Stevie Worrall blasted their way out of the reserve berths and Max Fricke stepped it up, with Aaron Fox doing his bit. And the rest is history regarding that season - so many more cans of polish were required!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 http://www.milduraindependent.com/index.php/sport/5530-justin-sedgmen-hospitalised-in-newcastle-breaks-collarbone-in-three-places Re Sedge Wells and other falls/injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 It doesn't look as good as a few other teams...but that doesn't really matter...its not how you start it's how you finish. There is no reason why a team change or two couldn't see any team improve their chances...also an injury to one of the fancied teams at the wrong time harms their chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: http://www.milduraindependent.com/index.php/sport/5530-justin-sedgmen-hospitalised-in-newcastle-breaks-collarbone-in-three-places Re Sedge Wells and other falls/injury Yep sounds like a bad night. Ricky apparently has broken bones in his hand and tendon damage in his arms. Sedgy waiting for an op. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 On 28/12/2017 at 9:09 AM, Gavan said: wow! Sorry must remember to say Edinburgh look strong next time! Sorry i cant see this team as anything other than 6th or 7th in my opinion and thats all it is opinion. Masters is a huge loss as the team just got in the play offs last season and now look much weaker without him. Last season as heat leaders, Masters , Wells and Riss and this season Wells , Riss and Riss. Sorry but to me this seasons team doesnt look as good as last seasons which finished third. Ipswich , Sheffield, Glasgow and Scunthorpe and Lakeside already look stronger to me. I may be wrong but thats what opinions are for You might be right, but its how yo8u look at end of the season not the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 51 minutes ago, Dekker said: You might be right, but its how yo8u look at end of the season not the start. spot on. Ipswich would have won the league i feel if we had the 1-7 we had at the press day which never ever took to the track. At the moment the Edinburgh 1-7 doesnt look good enough for the play offs when compared to other 1-7's But a few changes and you only need to get 4th and then you are in with a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 edinburgh teambuilding has been based on "improvers win titles, not big averages". In that sense this team is typical edinburgh, it's worked well over the years in fact the 2014 team was mocked in the same way by some and we know what happened. it's that philosophy that mean't there was never any chance of sedgy coming back as he would never increase his ave as a HL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Bleachers Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Improving averages is the idea, which makes me wonder why Sedgy at 6.2 and Theo at 4.3 were not obvious improvers especially with their skill at the dale. Remember Sedgy reached an average of 8 with us at the end and would be a more than capable 3rd HL if we could coax him back to form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, Fenway Bleachers said: Improving averages is the idea, which makes me wonder why Sedgy at 6.2 and Theo at 4.3 were not obvious improvers especially with their skill at the dale. Remember Sedgy reached an average of 8 with us at the end and would be a more than capable 3rd HL if we could coax him back to form. he's vastly overrated at the dale as he spent most of his time with cookie. as iipo found out he's not really a HL more a super #4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 He is not a super anything..... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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