foreverblue Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Some of the gp tracks are quite technical so the UK is a big bonus. Jason crimp always said riding Belle Vue every week made him a better rider. Zagar also credited riding in the UK improved him to a level of winning GP's. Bad news on JT let's hope for a speedy recovery. I don't think him missing will effect Wednesday too much as wolves already clear favourits with a 13 point lead but it does weaken them for the final big time. Also the KO Cup final. But from watching them last night I don't fancy Swindon doing it, they beat a weak Poole team and struggled to do that until late on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 You should note that earlier, I have disagreed with Steve Brum's comment about the Aces deliberately riding dangerously. I have nowhere indicated that Tungate was guilty of foul riding, but the cause and effect are crystal clear. I think the issue could be your use of this word in your original post, efficient ɪˈfɪʃ(ə)nt/ adjective 1. (of a system or machine) achieving maximum productivity with minimum wasted effort or expense. "more efficient processing of information" 2. (of a person) working in a well-organized and competent way. "an efficient administrator" synonyms: well organized, methodical, systematic, structured, well planned, logical, coherent, well regulated, well run, well ordered, orderly, businesslike, systematized, streamlined, productive, effective, labour-saving, cost-effective, energy-efficient, energy-saving, fuel-efficient "efficient managerial techniques Sort of implies that you mean Belle Vue, or Tungate went out to do a number on a Wolves rider, we all know that couldn't be further from the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Am I the only one who thought that heat 14 was 50/50? Thorsell was cutting back as Tungate was drifting out wide. Sadly for Tungate his earlier moves taint people views and he's seen as dirty/reckless. I normally like/praise Monmore but theres no doubting that last night was crap. Agree. Thorssell was turning back into Tungate. Tungate seemed to be taking a natural racing line when Thorssell turned in and the bikes locked together. A 50-50 racing accident. Wolves track is normally well prepared but they cocked up last night. Think there was too much dirt and the late September temperatures meant the track held the moisture which made it grippy and patchy in the wrong places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 to completely blame the shape of the track for every accident that happens at Wolves I don't think is quite correct. it isn't, but in fairness it's only the usual suspects saying it. I normally like/praise Monmore but theres no doubting that last night was crap. agreed, it wasn't a great match. Ditto the racing at Swindon. The common denominator? ?? Weather conditions. Simple as. I think you may have found the perfect way to sum up the entire debate and that, in the end, shows that its all down to opinions and taste from the speedway goer's perspective. For those that enjoy the speedway served up at their own track (as they surely must if they keep handing over their hard earned cash every home match) then all could say : 'I'm more than happy with what's on offer at (insert track name)'. certainly has good merit. Agree. Thorssell was turning back into Tungate. Tungate seemed to be taking a natural racing line when Thorssell turned in and the bikes locked together. A 50-50 racing accident. Wolves track is normally well prepared but they cocked up last night. Think there was too much dirt and the late September temperatures meant the track held the moisture which made it grippy and patchy in the wrong places. Tungate lifted and was out of shape when he collected Jacob. The only reason why Jacob crashed. Both Wolves and Swindon struggled with track prep last night. Weather conditions to blame, pure and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Can we please somehow get this freak FredFlange banned??? All he does is come on and moan about the Wolves track irrelevant of what meeting it is! Now he is backed up by the Poole troll..... yes Poole .... one of the worst tracks in the league lol. If people think speedway is all about just going flat out then they are clueless. If your just a throttle jockey then you will struggle at Monmore you need to have an ability to use the throttle both ways. Some riders just can't adapt Oh and the track was difficult last night because of the rain same as it was at Swindon..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Belle Vue have a great chance but all the pressure will be on them. If Masters can buck up then Wolves still have a chance. Lindgren needs to max really. Regarding the Tungate/Thorsell crash, Tungate was a bit hairy in other rides but in this one he didn't have a lot of choice in my view as JT was locking up to exit the corner. Am I the only one who thought that heat 14 was 50/50? Thorsell was cutting back as Tungate was drifting out wide. Sadly for Tungate his earlier moves taint people views and he's seen as dirty/reckless. I normally like/praise Monmore but theres no doubting that last night was crap. No, you're not the only one, I posted as much earlier on the BV vs Wolves thread. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Am I the only one who thought that heat 14 was 50/50? Thorsell was cutting back as Tungate was drifting out wide. Sadly for Tungate his earlier moves taint people views and he's seen as dirty/reckless. I normally like/praise Monmore but theres no doubting that last night was crap. I think that is exactly what happened. I said as much to a Wolves supporter next to me after seeing it replayed on the big screen. We had an interesting but ultimately friendly exchange of views. Just so unfortunate that the crash resulted in Thorsell's injury. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starboy118 Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Not really the right thread, but some more on the Lakeside story here, as some obviously missed the news last week. http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/sport/lakeside-hammers-want-top-flight-return-1-5203815 How does that fit in with promotion and relegation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) Tungate lifted and was out of shape when he collected Jacob. The only reason why Jacob crashed. You realise the crash was shown on TV right? And it's on YouTube for people to watch over and over again? And Tungate did NOT lift. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qextz0jJmQM Watch at 2h 26m and 9s and it shows Thorsell leaning over Tungate, which he's entitled to do but it does show its a 50/50 incident. The more I watch it, the more I think I'd have excluded Thorssell actually. Edited September 26, 2017 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Tungate definately decides to get of the bike early when he thinks he is in trouble.Dont know what Greaves was complaining about he was pulling lockers on that bend all night.You can see the riders with bike handling skills when a track is a little tricky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 You realise the crash was shown on TV right? And it's on YouTube for people to watch over and over again? And Tungate did NOT lift. Watch at 2h 26m and 9s and it shows Thorsell leaning over Tungate, which he's entitled to do but it does show its a 50/50 incident. The more I watch it, the more I think I'd have excluded Thorssell actually. Just watched it a couple of times and agree Thorsell was the cause locking up and not giving Tungate any room whatsoever. Ref got that completely wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkadera Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Thorsell is the pointing in right direction to get down the straight. Tungate is the coming across the corner which is why he hit him. No malice just different racing lines resulting in the accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Don't really see what Thorsell done wrong there ,he was in front and did not seem to cut back that much IMO .Tungate was having trouble controlling his bike all night.Just an opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) Well...the track was well dodgy last night ...Tungate was very unlucky against Thorsell..thought Thorsell left him with no where to go really..not much he could do.. I groaned when Cook said after his first ride he was making changes to drop the speed..he's done that before after good rides and struggled....his big fault is too much tinkering..of course you need some ..but he does it too much I think.. All in all not a great meeting..think it will be close ..but I think Belle Vue might just win if Cook scores normally and Bewley, Fricke and Tungate can do what they are capable of. Edited September 26, 2017 by Bruiser McHuge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealFiend Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Can we please somehow get this freak FredFlange banned??? All he does is come on and moan about the Wolves track irrelevant of what meeting it is! Now he is backed up by the Poole troll..... yes Poole .... one of the worst tracks in the league lol. If people think speedway is all about just going flat out then they are clueless. If your just a throttle jockey then you will struggle at Monmore you need to have an ability to use the throttle both ways. Some riders just can't adapt Oh and the track was difficult last night because of the rain same as it was at Swindon..... Bewley on his last visit = INJURED. Thorssell last night = INJURED. Sedgmen on his last visit = INJURED. I can go on and on but I cba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Am I the only one who thought that heat 14 was 50/50? Thorsell was cutting back as Tungate was drifting out wide. Sadly for Tungate his earlier moves taint people views and he's seen as dirty/reckless. I normally like/praise Monmore but theres no doubting that last night was crap. Agreed that Thorsell contributed to the crash but Tungate was rightly excluded. It was purely and simply a racing accident. Wolves fans have unnecessarily got their knickers in a twist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark.1 Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Bewley on his last visit = INJURED. Thorssell last night = INJURED. Sedgmen on his last visit = INJURED. I can go on and on but I cba. charles wright INJURED taken off by Riss last week another one for the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrac Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Great track Monmore, a test of skill. I like the NSS but don't just want every track to be like that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Great track Monmore, a test of skill. I like the NSS but don't just want every track to be like that. I can confidently say that having had a trick track for almost 30 years I don't think you'll find many Aces fans wanting to go back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 I can confidently say that having had a trick track for almost 30 years I don't think you'll find many Aces fans wanting to go back. That was not the point, variety across the board in sizes and shapes, is great,which no other country can match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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