The White Knight Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 I wouldn't have thought so - contracted div 2 riders would need permission to ride for a div 1 team wouldn't they? of course riders are freelance in effect and it might be seen as restraint of trade so many things in speedway would not be deemed legal in a court of law. Assets? I think not I do hope you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Why not? The top league and Championship have done that to the National League. Those two leagues, not content with messing up their own competitions, are doing all they can to drag the NL into the mire through this and other rules. As I have said before, time for the NL to declare independence. ....................... and the Championship. It is the top level of British Speedway that messes things up - not the aforementioned Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Time for one big league, one set of rules - plus a National League for up-and-comers 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Time for one big league, one set of rules - plus a National League for up-and-comers Many fans want this but the BSPA have decreed otherwise. Only time will tell which side is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Glasgow, Sheffield, Ipswich and Peterborough should move up to create the "British League" Have a league cup of 4 groups of 3 maybe regionalised so you have Ipswich, Peterborough and Kings Lynn is one group Ride home and away once, so 4 meetings, top of each group qualify for the knockout stage and so on I'd run this as 13 heat format points 4,3,2,1 Then run a ko cup competition, 16 heat format 3,2,1,0 points Then have the league with home and away once under the current format 22-30+ meetings The rest of the championship teams make up an expanded national league and develop more opportunity to get british youngsters into the sport 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) After a very late night and a longer than usual lie-in I think I may have woken up in 'cloud-cuckoo' land!!! For far too many years the BSPA Championship clubs (with the help of a Championship promoter as Chairman) have outnumbered and often out voted their Premiership colleagues on a number of important issues!!! One example, when the 'draft reserve' system was introduced to 'weaken' the top league, the then Elite clubs proposed a reduction in admission prices to reflect the 'weaker' product. This was out voted by the then PL clubs who were in some cases only charging £1 less than the Elite clubs but who said they couldn't afford to drop their prices. The '2-Brit' reserves should have been first adopted by the Championship clubs - but yet again NO - it was up to the Premiership teams to 'bite that particular bullet'! Finally, despite all the doom and gloom merchants - how many Premiership/Elite clubs have disappeared by going bust in recent years, as against the number of Championship/PL clubs threatening to do so?! Edited September 24, 2017 by Skidder1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Glasgow, Sheffield, Ipswich and Peterborough should move up to create the "British League" Have a league cup of 4 groups of 3 maybe regionalised so you have Ipswich, Peterborough and Kings Lynn is one group Ride home and away once, so 4 meetings, top of each group qualify for the knockout stage and so on I'd run this as 13 heat format points 4,3,2,1 Then run a ko cup competition, 16 heat format 3,2,1,0 points Then have the league with home and away once under the current format 22-30+ meetings The rest of the championship teams make up an expanded national league and develop more opportunity to get british youngsters into the sport Plenty of local derbies for Glasgow there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) Glasgow, Sheffield, Ipswich and Peterborough should move up to create the "British League" Have a league cup of 4 groups of 3 maybe regionalised so you have Ipswich, Peterborough and Kings Lynn is one group Ride home and away once, so 4 meetings, top of each group qualify for the knockout stage and so on I'd run this as 13 heat format points 4,3,2,1 Then run a ko cup competition, 16 heat format 3,2,1,0 points Then have the league with home and away once under the current format 22-30+ meetings The rest of the championship teams make up an expanded national league and develop more opportunity to get british youngsters into the sport No they shouldn't. Why the hell should our League be wrecked just to satisfy the Premiership? I tell you what though - the EIGHT Premier League Clubs could ask if they can drop down in to our League. They could accept Championship League Terms and Conditions and if they don't like them they can sod off. As I said earlier the Premier League is already Staffed by a load of Championship Riders, so why not - it makes sense. Edited September 24, 2017 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 Glasgow have the finances to make it work and a growing fan base because they are promoted properly. White knight, you are quite correct in what you say, when I say the four teams are going up maybe I meant they are joining forces with the other 8 Looks like doyle, holder etc won't be back so the leagues are even closer than ever before so either way you look at it, call it what you like both leagues are practically the same, all you'd lose are those few guys under say 4/5 who then become heat leaders in the national league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 Why won't Doyle and Holder be back if we're racing just 2 nights a week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 Because, as we are told, they won't put their leg over the bike for the money on offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner47 Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 The only thing that most agree on is, different nights for the two divisions. Doubling up has forced that upon us and it isn't going away. It's looking like Monday and Thursday, so Ipswich and Sheffield might go up, but who would come down as they don't like the thought of riding on these nights? No TV money and a change of night would surely hurt Leicester, also talk of Lakeside coming back, but don't think they'd fancy one of those nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contronatura Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 After the double up chaos in the last few weeks I can´t see two semi-professional leagues (Premiership and Championship) for next year... for me it is one league on professional level (call it what you will) and one league on national developement level... how many clubs are participating in the different leagues can only be decided by the clubs promoters (I can see 12-14 in the top league)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 The only thing that most agree on is, different nights for the two divisions. Doubling up has forced that upon us and it isn't going away. It's looking like Monday and Thursday, so Ipswich and Sheffield might go up, but who would come down as they don't like the thought of riding on these nights? No TV money and a change of night would surely hurt Leicester, also talk of Lakeside coming back, but don't think they'd fancy one of those nights. If they wouldn't fancy one of those nights how come they've spoken to the site owners about changing to one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner47 Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 If they wouldn't fancy one of those nights how come they've spoken to the site owners about changing to one? That's good news, but certainly completely different to what they were saying when they dropped down. I appreciate Friday traffic is usually worse than the rest of the week, but a lot of people just don't want to hit the M25 any day of the week and hope for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 No they shouldn't. Why the hell should our League be wrecked just to satisfy the Premiership? Our league? Youve said you havent been to speedway in years. Do you really think if the top league collapses through lack of teams, the lower league wont be afflicted by the same problems when theres no-one else to employ the better riders? Both leagues have a symbiotic relationship, and their fates are inter-twined. The ridiculous self-interest that seems to pervade the second division is one of the biggest contributory reasons to the problems with the sport today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) Our league? Youve said you havent been to speedway in years. Do you really think if the top league collapses through lack of teams, the lower league wont be afflicted by the same problems when theres no-one else to employ the better riders? Both leagues have a symbiotic relationship, and their fates are inter-twined. The ridiculous self-interest that seems to pervade the second division is one of the biggest contributory reasons to the problems with the sport today. i should say self preservation rather than self interest. the top league is a poorly run, team shedding farrago and has a track record in bullying the 2nd div - vis the last amalgamation which they sobotaged and further back the bullying of provincial league teams which led to the obvious solution to the problem which they had to be forced in to- a combined division. Which is what should happen now. Edited September 25, 2017 by ch958 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 i should say self preservation rather than self interest. the top league is a poorly run, team shedding farrago and has a track record in bullying the 2nd div - vis the last amalgamation which they sobotaged and further back the bullying of provincial league teams which led to the obvious solution to the problem which they had to be forced in to- a combined division. Which is what should happen now. Well said Sir. :approve: Humphrey take Note. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 Because, as we are told, they won't put their leg over the bike for the money on offer. They have done so for years ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 Because, as we are told, they won't put their leg over the bike for the money on offer. It's always good to get your leg over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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