Dave Stummings Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 With the uncertainty of various clubs for 2018 I wonder what the BSPA have planned for next year. Will promotion/relegation continue? Has it or will it been a success? I’d like to see the tactical substitute rule changed to when a team are 6 or more down a inform rider can replace a reserve or out of form rider who is the main body of the team. Will the six man teams be put back on the table with the apparent lack of riders? Regional speedway leagues don’t practically wet my whistle, although with only a handful of teams in the upper league perhaps if it gives more variety of teams and riders I may change my mind. With the uncertainty with Lakeside, Plymouth and Cradley’s participation in next season’s 3rd division I wonder if we’ll see anyone replacing them should they not run, Rye House maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 Who are these 'handful of teams' in the upper league??? A 10-12 team 'upper league' is being talked about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 Birmingham must be a doubt as well. The rye house raiders ran at a loss, so I'd be surprised if they returned. I think the rye promotions policy is quality, not quantity of meetings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 I think the biggest doubt is over the second tier, with two clubs reputed to be moving up and possibly two others dropping down or out, we could easily end up with a six team second tier and that surely wouldn't be viable. From what we read though a single league seems unlikely. Uncertainty is never good for the sport (particularly during a long winter) so the sooner we actually know the situation, the better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 Birmingham must be a doubt as well. The rye house raiders ran at a loss, so I'd be surprised if they returned. I think the rye promotions policy is quality, not quantity of meetings. That fits with what I have heard. Top division of as many as 12 teams but only one league match home and away against each team plus KO cup and play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 I think the biggest doubt is over the second tier, with two clubs reputed to be moving up and possibly two others dropping down or out, we could easily end up with a six team second tier and that surely wouldn't be viable. From what we read though a single league seems unlikely. Uncertainty is never good for the sport (particularly during a long winter) so the sooner we actually know the situation, the better.The BSPA is only concerned with Top League,to them the rest can sort themselves out,happens every time they are in Sh#t and it's annoying that the test fall for it every time.Nothing changes self interest rules!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 The BSPA is only concerned with Top League,to them the rest can sort themselves out,happens every time they are in Sh#t and it's annoying that the test fall for it every time.Nothing changes self interest rules!!!!!! As the BSPA is a collective body of all Promoters from all tiers I don't understand how this can be the case. With matters being voted on, the second tier can outvote the top tier as it has more members. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 As the BSPA is a collective body of all Promoters from all tiers I don't understand how this can be the case. With matters being voted on, the second tier can outvote the top tier as it has more members. That is only the current situation though, changes are likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 That is only the current situation though, changes are likely. Of course, a change in structure could change that. In my previous post I was responding to the inference that the top league is only concerned with itself and the rest can sort themselves out. 'The rest' has, for a long time now, been a larger group than the top league and so has been able to vote on decisions to suit themselves best at each AGM. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 That fits with what I have heard. Top division of as many as 12 teams but only one league match home and away against each team plus KO cup and play offs. Bet they still have to try and cram 4 home meetings into 2 weeks in September while during the long hot summer they can't fit one in 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 Bet they still have to try and cram 4 home meetings into 2 weeks in September while during the long hot summer they can't fit one in You could be right. The number of matches could fit into a programmee of fortnightly home matches. Not sure that's what I want. I preferred the days of a home match every week or 3 and out of every 4 if there are stock cars. However, it does fit nicely if you also have a NL team because then you can have a meeting at home almost every week. As you point out though it is vital that someone with a modicum of sense sorts out the fixture lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 Belle vue are the last club to run two teams. I'd be surprised if that number increases. In most cases, more meetings means more losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 As the BSPA is a collective body of all Promoters from all tiers I don't understand how this can be the case. With matters being voted on, the second tier can outvote the top tier as it has more members. You are leaving out the underhand dealing and promises that are made before the Conference .! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 The BSPA is only concerned with Top League,to them the rest can sort themselves out,happens every time they are in Sh#t and it's annoying that the test fall for it every time.Nothing changes self interest rules!!!!!! You are sooo right Fromafar. I have been shouting about this for years. What the Top League wants the Top League gets, and if that screws the Championship then - TOUGH!!! I wouldn't care - the Top League now is virtually a Championship League in itself. It is largely staffed by Championship Riders. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 If you look through the history of the sport. The lower leagues have always been sacrificed to save the top flight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) An exception was the 'Stewkesbury Plan' who was promoter of Poole at the time who operated in the lower league and I'm guessing he was chairman of he BSPA. I remember John Berry being somewhat critical of the plan at the time. Edited September 23, 2017 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 surely 2nd div clubs invited up would find it too much of a financial risk. RH have rich owners, as do Glasgow, but most don't. One big league with team strengths v strictly controlled jumps up and down as the most obvious way forward. I do not buy the lack of riders argument. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Sadly the teams in the championship are being manipulated again by the 'top' division. Teams left with the choice of moving up, if asked, or staying and having only a few teams to race against. The next thing will be no loan fees to be paid to championship teams whose asset rides for a Premier team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Sadly the teams in the championship are being manipulated again by the 'top' division. Teams left with the choice of moving up, if asked, or staying and having only a few teams to race against. The next thing will be no loan fees to be paid to championship teams whose asset rides for a Premier team I never thought of that. Could they actually do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) I wouldn't have thought so - contracted div 2 riders would need permission to ride for a div 1 team wouldn't they? of course riders are freelance in effect and it might be seen as restraint of trade so many things in speedway would not be deemed legal in a court of law. Assets? I think not Edited September 23, 2017 by ch958 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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