racers and royals Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 The result won't be changed and quite rightly so as it's the ref fault not's swindon .It's not just as easy as taking two points away as if the ref had apply the rules swindon could have sent muse to tapes etc changing the whole course of the match etc .The bottom line the ref is at fault and the result will stay the same . Are you on a wind-up. Not Swindon`s fault- How long has Rosco been team managing ? he nominated BWD for the ride- yes the ref was incompetent. however Swindon have gained 2 race points illegally- and if speedway has a shread of credibility left then the SCB must amend the result- and if and when they do Swindon would have no complaint !!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Not Swindon's fault?? Poor old Rosco can't even add up to three yet, bless him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Why did they drop him then? cant be true..... otherwise why did Poole sack him!!! Plus don't recall him winning many races from reserve at Poole this season!! Form and opportunity?... Are you new to this sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) Are you on a wind-up. Not Swindon`s fault- How long has Rosco been team managing ? he nominated BWD for the ride- yes the ref was incompetent. however Swindon have gained 2 race points illegally- and if speedway has a shread of credibility left then the SCB must amend the result- and if and when they do Swindon would have no complaint !!!! How long has the ref been a ref ? how long has lemon been in speedway ? as I said you cant change the result because it's not as simple as taking the two points away as if the rules had been done in a correct manner that heat and the match would have a took a completely different course and outcome . As someone has already pointed out are they going to change the play off final result from two years ago because Newman was not wearing his googles ? maybe in your book that was middlo's and newman fault for not knowing the rules .. rocky road when you start changing the refs decision after the event Edited September 15, 2017 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 How long has the ref been a ref ? how long has lemon been in speedway ? as I said you cant change the result because it's not as simple as taking the two points away as if the rules had been done in a correct manner that heat and the match would have a took a completely different course and outcome . As someone has already pointed out are they going to change the play off final result from two years ago because Newman was not wearing his googles ? maybe in your book that was middlo's and newman fault for not knowing the rules .. rocky road when you start changing the refs decision after the event So tell me why was the result was amended a few years ago in the Peterborough v Poole match when a wrong +5% was used by Poole for an away guest rider. points were taken away. didn`t the ref cock-up that night as well ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 I can assure you the biggest LEMON was up in the refs box True and everyone seems very bitter about it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 True and everyone seems very bitter about it!! He also took the pith !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Ok. Suppose this scenario happened. A similar thing occurs, with a rider coming in when he shouldn't, and that rider scores a point that enables the opposition to use a TR, from which they gain 3 extra points and go on to win the match by one point. If the rider who scores in the first race should have his points removed, should the TR extra points also be removed as that would no longer be valid use of a TR? In which case, the side who use the illegal rider lose one point and win the match because the team that didn't and won by a point then lose 3 points? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) Ok. Suppose this scenario happened. A similar thing occurs, with a rider coming in when he shouldn't, and that rider scores a point that enables the opposition to use a TR, from which they gain 3 extra points and go on to win the match by one point. If the rider who scores in the first race should have his points removed, should the TR extra points also be removed as that would no longer be valid use of a TR? In which case, the side who use the illegal rider lose one point and win the match because the team that didn't and won by a point then lose 3 points? Find the ruling the SCB made on the Peterborough v Poole match a few years back- I think that would answer your point- however last night was the 1st leg of an aggregate competition- so isn`t it doubly important that the score is corrected. it wasn`t Belle Vue who cocked up(although they should have noticed) and should they suffer the consequences of the error ? Edited September 15, 2017 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Ok. Suppose this scenario happened. A similar thing occurs, with a rider coming in when he shouldn't, and that rider scores a point that enables the opposition to use a TR, from which they gain 3 extra points and go on to win the match by one point. If the rider who scores in the first race should have his points removed, should the TR extra points also be removed as that would no longer be valid use of a TR? In which case, the side who use the illegal rider lose one point and win the match because the team that didn't and won by a point then lose 3 points? Spot on ..this is the point have been making ..the match would not have the same outcome and would run out another way if the rules were apply in correct manner that is why the result should stand . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65Sarge Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Spot on ..this is the point have been making ..the match would not have the same outcome and would run out another way if the rules were apply in correct manner that is why the result should stand . But surely that is why any protest/decision must be made before the next heat is concluded 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Spot on ..this is the point have been making ..the match would not have the same outcome and would run out another way if the rules were apply in correct manner that is why the result should stand . For fear of repeating myself- this was a 1st leg of a 2 legged AGGREGATE match- no Tr`s heat 15 noms would have been the same- please tell me how the course of last nights match would have panned out differently ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) All this dodgy stuff coming out of Swindon. BWD turning up to ride at Poole but Swindon booked a guest who was better. BWD must be well peed off losing wages so Swindon could gain an advantage in the playoffs. Now not satisfied with that, they continue by only giving the out of form dodgy Pole two rides. Again benefitting as the ref missed it. You couldn't make it up. No wonder people are saying if Swindon win either the league or cup it will be a hollow success which will leave a bad taste in the mouths of every fair minded fan. Never seen so many on social media praying for a Poole victory in the second leg of the playoffs to bring respect and karma back to the sport. Edited September 15, 2017 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 So tell me why was the result was amended a few years ago in the Peterborough v Poole match when a wrong +5% was used by Poole for an away guest rider. points were taken away. didn`t the ref cock-up that night as well ? So tell me why the play off final result was not changed ? sorry my opinion will always be the same the ref applies the rules on the night if he get it wrong then it's bad luck .it's up to him to stop it before hand . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Never seen so many on social media praying for a Poole victory in the second leg of the playoffs to bring respect and karma back to the sport. Said by one non Poole fan.......never. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 For fear of repeating myself- this was a 1st leg of a 2 legged AGGREGATE match- no Tr`s heat 15 noms would have been the same- please tell me how the course of last nights match would have panned out differently ? Well without BWD in that heat who is to say that race would have panned out the same ...maybe carr would have come second ? maybe muse would have come out in the first place and won the race who knows ..the bottom line if the ref had apply the rules correctly then outcome might have not have been the same . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Well without BWD in that heat who is to say that race would have panned out the same ...maybe carr would have come second ? maybe muse would have come out in the first place and won the race who knows ..the bottom line if the ref had apply the rules correctly then outcome might have not have been the same . Well he didn`t therefore Swindon used an illegal rider(that was the last chance they had to comply with the rules) and therefore the SCB need to remove the points scored in the illegal ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Ok. Suppose this scenario happened. A similar thing occurs, with a rider coming in when he shouldn't, and that rider scores a point that enables the opposition to use a TR, from which they gain 3 extra points and go on to win the match by one point. If the rider who scores in the first race should have his points removed, should the TR extra points also be removed as that would no longer be valid use of a TR? In which case, the side who use the illegal rider lose one point and win the match because the team that didn't and won by a point then lose 3 points? Easy one this, whatever results in a loss for Belle Vue would be the chosen route. This tie is still live as it is being run over 30 heats so any protest is still current, not that right will help our cause though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Never seen so many on social media praying for a Poole victory in the second leg of the playoffs to bring respect and karma back to the sport. Now come on Steve. Up to that point you had me on side. But people "praying" for a Poole victory? Hmmm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueboy Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Providing I have read the rule correctly, there should be appeal submitted prior to the following heat. There is absolutely no mention of the fact if it's a KOC semi-final over 2 legs and it's the first leg there is dispensation for the SCB to overturn the result. If an appeal is submitted, correctly per the ruling, and that appeal is upheld then I have no problem with that. Rules are out in place to be adhered to, well except the well thumbed Poole copy. So, unless Lemon appealed before heat 13, as the rule stands no further action should be taken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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