magnus Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 I would like to start by stating i do not like writing posts like this and some will say why write them, but it was obvious by Sargent's display tonight he made no effort to race in his early races and approached the meeting with the attitude to do what most who attended tonight believe was a deliberate act to manipulate his average or go all out in what seems to be his vendetta against Workington. For a home rider to turn a home crowd against them like he has, is the first i have ever witnessed at Derwent Park. It absurd that any governing body of any sport can allow this to happen and potentially contribute to the demise of any club, due to the club not being able to make the necessary changes to try and remedy the situation, it has been forced into by the rules of our sport. I admit some people may believe these are strong words and not the backing any rider deserves, but if there was a facility to make a change i am sure those who have witnessed his displays most weeks, would agree he should be replaced. If the Workington promotion had the facility to do so and they didn't react, those people who disagree with my post would probably be the first to criticise the club for not doing so. The promotion clearly tried to make the necessary changes early season to strengthen the team, but unfortunately this did not pan out as they deserved, due to rumors i believe which did not come to fruition. This is clearly not the motivation any rider deserves and like i said i do not enjoy writing it, but when you consider James's display tonight and previous comments he has publicly made, combined with the recent crowd attendances, how can Laura financially commit to the future of Workington Speedway with this dwindling lack of support. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 I don't think Worky. are alone in struggling - they might be ok for next year if div 2 divests itself of the riches it can not afford and those riches move to div1 and abroad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) i guess its no surprise that the unoffical comets forum is off line tonight as for the comets management well they deserve all the flack they get my mate asked me tonight if id be unhappy if speedway r4an next year at workington and i found it hard to give him a answer the junior match afterwards had more entertainment than the 15 long heats tonight paul bowan would have been shown up in the 125 races as he couldnt turn his bike during the main meeting the kids showed what a entertaining close race the track could produce in the interest of speedway james sargent should be banned from the sport which also inclueds the start off next season he is a disgrace to the whole sport ive never ever seen a rider remove his helmet during a race before ive seen riders get a fine for doing practice starts on parade without a helmet so james should at least get a fine I disagree to an extent. Both of the Riss brothers pulled off brilliant passing moves - Mark in particular when he got some terrific speed to shoot past Proctor round the final two corners. Funny thing was I thought that it was a battling performance from Campton, Proctor, Williamson & Ostergaard. If Workington had had a decent reserve this would have been much, much closer. Replacing Cook was almost impossible and would have been even if the Comets have tried weeks ago. Over half the league was riding anyway and most of the other top Championship riders were in the Premiership riders meeting. Comets had little choice but to use RR. As to Sarjeant, I'd have sacked him weeks ago and brought in virtually anyone else because they couldn't be that much worse. His ridiculous tendency to get excluded for starting offences is actually getting worse (if that's possible) and once off 15 metres he wasn't interested. Word I got was that he had to be persuaded to stay on after the second exclusion - although he has no-one to blame but himself - and was fined heavily by the referee for delaying the start. I felt desperately sorry for Laura Morgan because no-one can say she hasn't tried hard at Workington. A crowd of 350 or so with no real hope of improvement means just one outcome, because she simply can't continue losing that much per meeting. I really hope I am wrong because a trip up to Cumbria with decent company, a couple of pints and some tea in the town and usually a pretty decent meeting is something I'll miss. Edited September 17, 2017 by Halifaxtiger 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moranboys Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 I would like to start by stating i do not like writing posts like this and some will say why write them, but it was obvious by Sargent's display tonight he made no effort to race in his early races and approached the meeting with the attitude to do what most who attended tonight believe was a deliberate act to manipulate his average or go all out in what seems to be his vendetta against Workington. For a home rider to turn a home crowd against them like he has, is the first i have ever witnessed at Derwent Park. It absurd that any governing body of any sport can allow this to happen and potentially contribute to the demise of any club, due to the club not being able to make the necessary changes to try and remedy the situation, it has been forced into by the rules of our sport. I admit some people may believe these are strong words and not the backing any rider deserves, but if there was a facility to make a change i am sure those who have witnessed his displays most weeks, would agree he should be replaced. If the Workington promotion had the facility to do so and they didn't react, those people who disagree with my post would probably be the first to criticise the club for not doing so. The promotion clearly tried to make the necessary changes early season to strengthen the team, but unfortunately this did not pan out as they deserved, due to rumors i believe which did not come to fruition. This is clearly not the motivation any rider deserves and like i said i do not enjoy writing it, but when you consider James's display tonight and previous comments he has publicly made, combined with the recent crowd attendances, how can Laura financially commit to the future of Workington Speedway with this dwindling lack of support. as a neutral and after reading a lot or your posts i have to say that my heart goes out to the promotion, supporters and to some extent, most riders in your team with obviously one exception.i remember saying to the wife several years ago at scunthorpe where we first saw serjeant ride about how fast and smooth he looked on a bike and earmarked him as one for the future but warning signs were there with his petulance in a national league encounter between himself and nathan grieves and things seem to have gone downhill from there culminating in the disgraceful attitude to the sport last night.yes,he should now not ever ride again for the club and i certainly know who i would rather have between him and adam roynon,who ,i believe, had a bit of a raw deal when he was moved on at owlerton to accommodate ty proctor.adam would have been a very very good rider if it hadn't have been for his injuries and to this day i still enjoy watching him ride.it has also been a baptism of fire for young matt riding at four.did expect a few more points from ty as well but i could go on.i really feel for your promotion and supporters and know what it is to have really bum seasons at sheffield as well so all i can offer is chins up and for the remainder of fans to get behind your team for the remainder of the season because you certainly don't even want to contemplate the alternative.workington are very important to all supporters up and down the country and it would be a very sad loss to see them fold. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 I disagree to an extent. Both of the Riss brothers pulled off brilliant passing moves - Mark in particular when he got some terrific speed to shoot past Proctor round the final two corners. Funny thing was I thought that it was a battling performance from Campton, Proctor, Williamson & Ostergaard. If Workington had had a decent reserve this would have been much, much closer. Replacing Cook was almost impossible and would have been even if the Comets have tried weeks ago. Over half the league was riding anyway and most of the other top Championship riders were in the Premiership riders meeting. Comets had little choice but to use RR. As to Sarjeant, I'd have sacked him weeks ago and brought in virtually anyone else because they couldn't be that much worse. His ridiculous tendency to get excluded for starting offences is actually getting worse (if that's possible) and once off 15 metres he wasn't interested. Word I got was that he had to be persuaded to stay on after the second exclusion - although he has no-one to blame but himself - and was fined heavily by the referee for delaying the start. I felt desperately sorry for Laura Morgan because no-one can say she hasn't tried hard at Workington. A crowd of 350 or so with no real hope of improvement means just one outcome, because she simply can't continue losing that much per meeting. I really hope I am wrong because a trip up to Cumbria with decent company, a couple of pints and some tea in the town and usually a pretty decent meeting is something I'll miss. i agree mason really stood up last night and gave his all which is another point in switching him and matt around in the riding order but hey us fans only watch from the outside were not the ones looking for a reason to pull the plug 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) anyone going to take a bet that sarj goes A.W.O.L. for the last meeting at home and drops us in the shot .. ah well , no change in there then , always dropping us in the shot . cant see the unofficial site being energized again . it keeps neg comments out about certain management crew ,R.I.P. workington speedway . enjoyed it while it lasted , as did many fans . pitty about golden balls tho . Edited September 17, 2017 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 anyone going to take a bet that sarj goes A.W.O.L. for the last meeting at home and drops us in the shot ..ah well , no change in there then , always dropping us in the shot .cant see the unofficial site being energized again .it keeps neg comments out about certain management crew ,R.I.P. workington speedway .enjoyed it while it lasted , as did many fans .pitty about golden balls tho . So sack him and use a guest, it sounds like anyone wouldn't be any worse so what have you got to lose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliss44 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 An honest question -- have the Workington riders always been paid on time? You do hear of clubs that aren'd doing very well and losing fans struggle to pay riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamlad Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 An honest question -- have the Workington riders always been paid on time? You do hear of clubs that aren'd doing very well and losing fans struggle to pay riders. Nothing to do with riders getting paid ..James Sargeant should be ashamed of himself , he should have gone months ago but they stuck with him and now look, he has just about finished Workington Speedway, an absolute disgrace . Where to now , weeks left of this season, if speedway goes it won't come back , the management have made crap decisions throughout this season and a lot we don't agree with but they need us fans to rally round now more than ever , we have to get behind them and pull this Club through the next few weeks 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 So sack him and use a guest, it sounds like anyone wouldn't be any worse so what have you got to lose. if only we could a question for comercial dan any news on the how long the unoffical forum is going to be down think we would like to know if its temporary or been closed down for good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 An honest question -- have the Workington riders always been paid on time? You do hear of clubs that aren'd doing very well and losing fans struggle to pay riders. i dont think there is anyone on this forum can actually answer that question and hold their hand up and say it is the truth . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 So what made him turn on the crowd? You don't just snap for no reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) So what made him turn on the crowd? You don't just snap for no reason look at his starting stats .he is well known for jumping and thats why %99.9 of fans give him grief . he is supposed to be the mature reserve , but he deserves everything that comes his way , inc the shot ! how do yo go from 12+2 one night and the return 1+1 on home soil . he got a reasonable fine for removing his helmet DURING a race , he then threw his race bib on the ground as he was walking back through the pits gate .. bargain average , my arse . )just an underperforming show pony . Edited September 17, 2017 by jenga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Professional job done by the boys. Good maximums for Erik and Ricky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 if only we could a question for comercial dan any news on the how long the unoffical forum is going to be down think we would like to know if its temporary or been closed down for good On the basis of what he did last night he is withholding his services, that's grounds at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Professional job done by the boys. Good maximums for Erik and Ricky. Yes indeed. Well done to the monarchs. Rick wells was Ricky wells round workington. Always likes both the riss brothers, both have the potential to be very good riders indeed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr8scot Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 I know I would have been upset if I was a Workington fan last night but the score is deceiving as there were some pretty good races Now, can I play Devils advocate again even tho' I do not condone James's behaviour. James is a young lad who has earned himself a "reputation at the gate" and sadly, he will probably never lose it now - the ref's & fans are watching!!! The pressure he must feel every time he rocks up to the start line must be immense and the frustration when it goes wrong again must be even more immense. I truly hope James can get past all this as he is a great (GB) rider when he has a good meeting 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 I disagree to an extent. Both of the Riss brothers pulled off brilliant passing moves - Mark in particular when he got some terrific speed to shoot past Proctor round the final two corners. Funny thing was I thought that it was a battling performance from Campton, Proctor, Williamson & Ostergaard. If Workington had had a decent reserve this would have been much, much closer. Replacing Cook was almost impossible and would have been even if the Comets have tried weeks ago. Over half the league was riding anyway and most of the other top Championship riders were in the Premiership riders meeting. Comets had little choice but to use RR. As to Sarjeant, I'd have sacked him weeks ago and brought in virtually anyone else because they couldn't be that much worse. His ridiculous tendency to get excluded for starting offences is actually getting worse (if that's possible) and once off 15 metres he wasn't interested. Word I got was that he had to be persuaded to stay on after the second exclusion - although he has no-one to blame but himself - and was fined heavily by the referee for delaying the start. I felt desperately sorry for Laura Morgan because no-one can say she hasn't tried hard at Workington. A crowd of 350 or so with no real hope of improvement means just one outcome, because she simply can't continue losing that much per meeting. I really hope I am wrong because a trip up to Cumbria with decent company, a couple of pints and some tea in the town and usually a pretty decent meeting is something I'll miss. I know Laura Morgan has made considerable personal and financial sacrifices to keep Workington Speedway going, sadly towards the end of last season there were doubts about speedway continuing in Workington due to low crowds. It would be a real shame if the doors were to be closed but sadly it wouldn't come as a shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Professional job done by the boys. Good maximums for Erik and Ricky. totaly agree really impressed with erik riss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliss44 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Nothing to do with riders getting paid ..James Sargeant should be ashamed of himself , he should have gone months ago but they stuck with him and now look, he has just about finished Workington Speedway, an absolute disgrace . Where to now , weeks left of this season, if speedway goes it won't come back , the management have made crap decisions throughout this season and a lot we don't agree with but they need us fans to rally round now more than ever , we have to get behind them and pull this Club through the next few weeks You honestly believe that ONE RIDER has ''just about finished Workington Speedway''? I am a neutral but that sounds a very naïve statement to make. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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