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22 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

A team scoring 46 match points will have a total average around 42.50 for team building not 46

Go on, l'm intrigued, how does that work. I may be missing something but 46 points to win a meeting simply equates to 6.57 per rider. Whereas 42.50 reduces to 6.07 per rider.

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2 minutes ago, Broadsider said:

Go on, l'm intrigued, how does that work. I may be missing something but 46 points to win a meeting simply equates to 6.57 per rider. Whereas 42.50 reduces to 6.07 per rider.

This old chestnut again :)

Averages are the average points per ride x 4.

In a 15 heat match, two riders have a nominated ride in heat 15 giving them 5 rides, but their averages are still per ride x 4.

For example: A team has 42 points after heat 15 with scores of 8, 8, 6, 6, 6, 4, 4. Team average = 42.

In heat 15 they get a 4-2, giving them 46 points. Rider 1 scores 11 from 5 - average 8.8. Rider 2 scores 9 from 5 - average 7.2

Team averages are now: 8.8, 7.2, 6, 6, 6, 4, 4 = 42.

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christ almighty not AGAIN!!!

just change it to heat average like Sweden then we don't get these questions every 5 mins

not your fault broadsider its the system thats crazy - working averages out on 4 rides is just not relevant now

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58 minutes ago, ch958 said:

christ almighty not AGAIN!!!

just change it to heat average like Sweden then we don't get these questions every 5 mins

not your fault broadsider its the system thats crazy - working averages out on 4 rides is just not relevant now

To be fair it not a difficult concept to grasp (or shouldnt be)

Thanks Grachan for taking the time to type out the explanation!

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2 hours ago, Grachan said:

This old chestnut again :)

Averages are the average points per ride x 4.

In a 15 heat match, two riders have a nominated ride in heat 15 giving them 5 rides, but their averages are still per ride x 4.

For example: A team has 42 points after heat 15 with scores of 8, 8, 6, 6, 6, 4, 4. Team average = 42.

In heat 15 they get a 4-2, giving them 46 points. Rider 1 scores 11 from 5 - average 8.8. Rider 2 scores 9 from 5 - average 7.2

Team averages are now: 8.8, 7.2, 6, 6, 6, 4, 4 = 42.

Apologies for raising and thanks for taking time to re-clarify this old chestnut. As suggested it's not difficult to grasp but still not as simple in team building terms as: how many points does it take to win a speedway meeting over the prescribed 15 heats? 46 points makes sense to me and agree questions the relevance of still applying 4 ride averages. Also grading or not would allow just a little more leeway to keep riders like Alfie Bowtell etc.. on track! 

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1 hour ago, Broadsider said:

Apologies for raising and thanks for taking time to re-clarify this old chestnut. As suggested it's not difficult to grasp but still not as simple in team building terms as: how many points does it take to win a speedway meeting over the prescribed 15 heats? 46 points makes sense to me and agree questions the relevance of still applying 4 ride averages. Also grading or not would allow just a little more leeway to keep riders like Alfie Bowtell etc.. on track! 

But where does the leeway stop?

Allow one team to use a rider that 0.03 over and then another team asks to use a rider 0.06 over - its only the same leeway over the agreed leeway.

Soon gets silly......

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1 hour ago, ch958 said:

its not difficult just no longer relevant

It as close to being relevant than a points per ride average.....

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Averages per ride or average per ride x 4. Makes no difference.

It's the same average, just represented in a different way.

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1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

But where does the leeway stop?

Allow one team to use a rider that 0.03 over and then another team asks to use a rider 0.06 over - its only the same leeway over the agreed leeway.

Soon gets silly......

Had to smile at your last 3 words :wink: 

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2 hours ago, Fromafar said:

Think it would be sensible to define average to nearest point under .5 down the way over .5point up the way. Stops  minute decimal points keeping riders out of work.

So 2.24 becomes 2 and 2.76 becomes 3

So 2 riders .52 apart are changed to 1 point apart

The lower rider may well be very sought after and the higher rider not so....

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2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

So 2.24 becomes 2 and 2.76 becomes 3

So 2 riders .52 apart are changed to 1 point apart

The lower rider may well be very sought after and the higher rider not so....

Can never understand how simple maths seems to pass over the heads of some fans, things like rider averages, team strengths limits, actual race averages, grades, etc. 

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3 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

So 2.24 becomes 2 and 2.76 becomes 3

So 2 riders .52 apart are changed to 1 point apart

The lower rider may well be very sought after and the higher rider not so....

To be honest,I would do away with averages and let the money men sign all the good riders,then hope that things get better,things couldn't be any worse with the nonsense going on just now in the sport.

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2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

So 2.24 becomes 2 and 2.76 becomes 3

So 2 riders .52 apart are changed to 1 point apart

The lower rider may well be very sought after and the higher rider not so....

As everyone says this has been done to death and whatever my thoughts will make no jot of difference. But to take your example and rounding then 2.24 is sensibly a 2 and 2.76 essentially a 3. Yes a 2pt average may fit nicely (say Alfie Bowtell) but a rider rounded up to 3 (say Josh Bailey) could quite possibly have achieved that on the back of a decent season and with Club's still keen to accommodate a developing talent. Agree that under the present 42.50 points limit the 3ptr might find a team slot harder to come by but if we're working to 46pts required to win a meeting then there's a little more scope for all. The same reasoning of course applies to any riders average whether rounding up or down. 

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14 hours ago, Broadsider said:

That's the problem with averages and points limits! 

 

 

23 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

I will leave you to your delusions :P

Just reading my copy of this weeks Star and the Joe Jacobs piece. Averages- people- delusions. Mmmm...

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