ProudtobeaBrummie Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 What about luke chessell he has returned ? is he a 2.00 rider ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: What about luke chessell he has returned ? is he a 2.00 rider ? Certainly one worth considering... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpison Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Management have formed a very good 1 to 6 team for 2018 season, supporters deserve this after 5 very poor seasons and teams, please do not let us spoil things by having a outclassed number 7, this will certainly do the riders confidence no good, and we have suffered too much over the years by not having a scoring number 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 With having a 2 point rider he’s going to be outclassed on numerous occasions at home and away but as long as there’s progression it’s not a problem. This team is built to be able to win with 6 riders scoring well with no pressure on the number 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said: With having a 2 point rider he’s going to be outclassed on numerous occasions at home and away but as long as there’s progression it’s not a problem. This team is built to be able to win with 6 riders scoring well with no pressure on the number 7 and building teams this way helps build teams for the future aslong as the riders you help out and give a chance to when others wont repay the favour when they do improve unlike the ones who just follow the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Most years we have had a dummy No.7 and wasted points, this year I couldnt give a monkeys who they have there. We've had riders who are meant to do well and get 0,0,0 so this year the last guy will have no pressure, the rest of the team can get the points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScunnyDan Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Rob mentioned in the SS this week that Alfie Bowtell is a name that stands out, I'd like to see him in the no 7 birth, impressed me a lot when he came with Newcastle last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tosh1218 Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 If as in the speedway star rob is considering Alfie Bowtell does his average fit as I thought it was to high but I don’t know his reduction to his average , thoughts anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 his average is 2.19. with a reduction it is 2.13. we only have 2.11 to play with, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 21 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said: With having a 2 point rider he’s going to be outclassed on numerous occasions at home and away but as long as there’s progression it’s not a problem. This team is built to be able to win with 6 riders scoring well with no pressure on the number 7 I have posted that our no7 will be riding against fellow no7's with a few having a 4+ average which means experience at this level. What I see, as a problem, is that there are still a lot of riders doubling up & if they are injured, it affects both teams. Using r/r & a no6 struggling for whatever reason will hit you hard. This applies to all teams but is a reason why I would not have a novice at no7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Paul Johnson said: his average is 2.19. with a reduction it is 2.13. we only have 2.11 to play with, Get in touch with Lakeside as there might be a way to get some of our riders on old averages 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 59 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: I have posted that our no7 will be riding against fellow no7's with a few having a 4+ average which means experience at this level. What I see, as a problem, is that there are still a lot of riders doubling up & if they are injured, it affects both teams. Using r/r & a no6 struggling for whatever reason will hit you hard. This applies to all teams but is a reason why I would not have a novice at no7. workington have mason Campton @ number 6 on a 5.74 average and a bright young star @ 7 . if mason has a good start and Rasser or Dan has an indifferent start to the season , either could find themselves in the number 6 spot . maybe even Klink ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 hours ago, jenga said: workington have mason Campton @ number 6 on a 5.74 average and a bright young star @ 7 . if mason has a good start and Rasser or Dan has an indifferent start to the season , either could find themselves in the number 6 spot . maybe even Klink ! Klink will just as likely get beat by no7 2 pointers who out gate him as he will beat opposition no1s - cant think of too many more inconsistent and frustrating riders as him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 4 hours ago, IronScorpion said: I have posted that our no7 will be riding against fellow no7's with a few having a 4+ average which means experience at this level. What I see, as a problem, is that there are still a lot of riders doubling up & if they are injured, it affects both teams. Using r/r & a no6 struggling for whatever reason will hit you hard. This applies to all teams but is a reason why I would not have a novice at no7. Yes but when you only have 2.11 left that’s what your getting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 27 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Klink will just as likely get beat by no7 2 pointers who out gate him as he will beat opposition no1s - cant think of too many more inconsistent and frustrating riders as him we are used to the inconsistent speedway riders . we had along period of being broken in last season on the number 6 spot . so hopefully it wont be too bad watching klink. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, jenga said: we are used to the inconsistent speedway riders . we had along period of being broken in last season on the number 6 spot . so hopefully it wont be too bad watching klink. lol Surely Sarj was very consistent - he never failed to pee you off 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 very consistent . fans were running a book on him @ home meetings . heat 2 should have been his all day long @ home . we were lucky to get a second place now and then... he seemed to have good meetings while guessting for glasgow .cough . but still , 2018 should be good for him now they are relaxing the start rules . you can jump the starts . great news for MPT, sarj, rene b , rrrrricky wells , just about %65 of riders actually , prob more ! roll on March and hot summer nights.. lol . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsider Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 08/01/2018 at 11:01 AM, Paul Johnson said: his average is 2.19. with a reduction it is 2.13. we only have 2.11 to play with, Averages are totally ridiculous and anti speedway when putting sides together. What is the difference between rider on 2.13 and another on 2.11? Absolutely nothing, so why not simply GRADE the riders and keep them on track! Lets be honest, Alfie Bowtell( who I consider a really good prospect by the way) would have a practically rounded average of 2 points and which could equate to say a C grading for team building purposes. Makes sense to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Gradings are more unfair than averages There always has to be a cut off somewhere How do you set the gradings? Most likely using average bands. So instead of all teams building to 42.50 you have 1 grade A (9 point+) 2 Grade B (7.50 to 9) 2 Grade C (4.50 to 7.50) 1 Grade D (3 to 4.50) 1 Grade E (under 3) Team 1 signs riders on 10, 8.99, 8.99, 7.49, 7.49, 4.49 and 2.99 - 50.44 Team 2 riders on 9, 7.5, 7.5, 4.5, 4.5, 3 and 2 - 38 Extreme example perhaps but gradings would be less likely to achieve parity of teams and riders woukd still not fit due to being 0.01 over the limit and being put in the next grading 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsider Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 14 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Gradings are more unfair than averages There always has to be a cut off somewhere How do you set the gradings? Most likely using average bands. So instead of all teams building to 42.50 you have 1 grade A (9 point+) 2 Grade B (7.50 to 9) 2 Grade C (4.50 to 7.50) 1 Grade D (3 to 4.50) 1 Grade E (under 3) Team 1 signs riders on 10, 8.99, 8.99, 7.49, 7.49, 4.49 and 2.99 - 50.44 Team 2 riders on 9, 7.5, 7.5, 4.5, 4.5, 3 and 2 - 38 Extreme example perhaps but gradings would be less likely to achieve parity of teams and riders woukd still not fit due to being 0.01 over the limit and being put in the next grading I dont know on what basis the current 42.50 figure is actually set. But why not give scope by increasing the points limit to say 46 as being realistically the minimum required to win a meeting. Trying to achieve parity in team building is pretty much impossible in any sport and Speedway appears unique in this respect. There will always be goliaths but it gives the rest something to aim at. It's an extreme example but back in the 70's no way were the Saints sides built anywhere near the likes of Crewe or Boston. But the sport worked and the crowds were watching. Obviously the demands of today's Championship are much higher but my point is that figures don't have to match exactly to achieve a workable and exciting competiton. In my opinion gradings would simplify and keep riders on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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