colin wood Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Never liked the play offs the champions should be who wins the league. Don't follow rugby league but if the play off winners haven't won the league then I fail to see how they can be called champions.Imagine if Chelsea had to go into a four match cup at the end of the season after winning the league and not ending up as champions!A serious sport like football would never come up with a daft idea like this and the fans wouldn't want it either.Ditch the stupid joker thing as well! I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Never liked the play offs the champions should be who wins the league. Don't follow rugby league but if the play off winners haven't won the league then I fail to see how they can be called champions.Imagine if Chelsea had to go into a four match cup at the end of the season after winning the league and not ending up as champions!A serious sport like football would never come up with a daft idea like this and the fans wouldn't want it either.Ditch the stupid joker thing as well! I The stats say otherwise. Teams in the playoffs usually get good gates, sometimes their biggest gates in that year, just because it is a shootout completion. The meetings allow the teams involved to bring more money in to help them keep afloat. There are many varied sports that go for the playoffs as a good season ender. The other teams not in them, just finish their meetings as usual so no change there, but the playoffs give the season a pinnacle to end the season on with more money in and a televised event for the TV company. Sticking with the old doesn't bring in one penny extra. That's business, and works for a lot of other sports. Despite the efforts/opinions of some, it has to be run as a business to try and keep tracks open. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 They could keep the play-offs, but have them as separate to the league champions and have all teams involved. Other sports such as Basketball do this, and the play-offs are still prestigious to win. Call them KO Cup or Craven Shield and nobody will care. Call them "play-offs" and they will. That's the way it is these days. The ice hockey scenario is the best answer . Whoever wins the league are the champions , then we have an 8 team two legged quarter final with the four winners going through to the play off weekend at Nottingham . We could do the same with a play off weekend in Manchester . Two separate tournaments . 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Should be a decent attendance for club's who make semis; even bigger for final. Means there is a big financial incentive and could rescue some clubs finances. If you miss out, season over early - like it was for last couple of years at Lakeside when they were in the EL. Problem is to find some meaningful competition for those that miss out. The flip side is how much clubs lose leading up to the play offs... The Aces will get around 2300 I reckon for the Semi but have ran in front of 800 or so in the meetings leading up to cram in the required meetings.. Is that one gate of 2300 better than 4 of 5 meetings of reduced attendances due to fitting meetings in and not having much to race for as already qualified..? The 3000 plus final crowd is I would suggest the deal breaker rather than the semi... But obviously, only of any use if you get there... For me Paulco's idea from Ice Hockey re have a full season and then all in a quick cup Comp sounds the right mix... A 'Magic Weekend' for Speedway at the NSS.. Late August Bank Holiday Weekend.. Cut off date agreed to decide the draw based on League position, first play eighth, second versus seventh etc. etc. . Friday night double header starting at 7pm for the first two quaters finals. . Saturday night double header at 7pm for the other two quarters.. Sunday night double header starting at 5pm for the semis.. BHM 5pm start time for the Final... Sell a Weekend ticket for £80, £20 for kids, and an adult and kid gets to see seven meetings at not much over £15 a match.. Surely would sell 2500 adult tickets that way if properly marketed the 12 months prior..? If so, £200k without the kids income... Deals with hotels, sponsors and TV coverage sorted too to make the event "Big Time" School hols still then too.. Carry on with the league after the 'Magic Weekend' with no having to cram meetings in making the fixture list more consistent and Speedway running to October... Edited September 13, 2017 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) I doubt if Lynn will even run next season. If they do it will be in the championship Not at Poole who had a lower than normal number attending this year. Can't wait to see what yours is....Orions always bleating please come to Swindon.. Says it all really. Edited September 13, 2017 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Bumper crowds in speedway terms for the Play-Offs can't disguise the glory-seeking angle of some fans and those who stayed away from the less-mouthwatering matches in the league campaign, which really means nothing other than to find the four (often obvious) semi-finalists. I think the Play-Offs have devalued the league programme and think some fans will stay away, so the turn out for the Play-Offs might not even make up. Often I think the season is aimed at the Play-Off Final and then what happens after that is of no importance. They ruined the KO Cup and deny most tracks that definite end-of-season finale that the old league programme, pre-Play-Offs, used to give. Edited September 13, 2017 by moxey63 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie21 Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Re Play-Offs, it is possible for a team that finishes 4th in the league to go on and win the play offs and so become the league champions: Can this be a good thing for the top of the league team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Bumper crowds in speedway terms for the Play-Offs can't disguise the glory-seeking angle of some fans and those who stayed away from the less-mouthwatering matches in the league campaign, which really means nothing other than to find the four (often obvious) semi-finalists. I think the Play-Offs have devalued the league programme and think some fans will stay away, so the turn out for the Play-Offs might not even make up. Often I think the season is aimed at the Play-Off Final and then what happens after that is of no importance. They ruined the KO Cup and deny most tracks that definite end-of-season finale that the old league programme, pre-Play-Offs, used to give. And of course only four get the chance to make any lost revenue during the qualifying matches up. For the others its lose/lose. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 And of course only four get the chance to make any lost revenue during the qualifying matches up. For the others its lose/lose. Correct. I guess since the Play-Offs, the anticipation, that churning feeling as a fan for that top of the table clash between your side and fellow title chaser must have been lost, as teams can afford to lose such tussles and still make top four. Also, if you don't make the top four, your club must feel like the poor kid who didn't get invited to the party and doesn't know whether he'll actually get to play again for that year. The last week in October was always the end of the speedway season. Now it's a month earlier. All that comes afterwards seems to go unnoticed. They are great speedway, but I feel they for just a couple of matches, they take something away from the pull of a seven-month season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Having spent a lot of time in Australia and being a big AFL fan I am a big fan of play offs...the race for top 8 in AFL and the ultimate Grand Final is fantastic...and Western Bulldogs were champions last year from 7th in the league... Play offs are a great idea in my opinion..but I am not sure they work that we'll in speedway...great idea if teams stay injury free and it's 2 full teams...but not great if we get teams full of guests..often on dodgy end of year wet tracks making the rest of the season a bit of a farce.. So great in principle but not always in reality as far as speedway goes....but they do keep the season alive for a few clubs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Some very good posts on here regarding play offs.I am sure crowds drop off once you have qualified.Does a big crowd for the final make up the numbers I'm not sure.Really like Paulco's ice hockey idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 And of course only four get the chance to make any lost revenue during the qualifying matches up. For the others its lose/lose. No it's not. If there were no playoffs, the other teams would still be riding for nothing, so instead of lose/lose it would be same /same. Teams in say 5th 6th and 7th in the no playoffs senario are just riding the season out, but with playoffs they still have a chance to get into the playoffs and bumper meetings. In a no playoffs situation what happens when teams like Reading and Peterborough did in 1997 and 1998 and were runaway winners all season. For most of the others their seasons were over in July, but with playoffs there would have still been 3 places to go for. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Not sure Lynn, Leicester, Somerset and Rye House fans would agree. Their seasons have sort of petered out, without the climax of a final meeting. ? Without the play offs there seasons would have petered out a lot sooner ..this subject been done to death and the thing people can never quite understand is plays offs without a league title on the line hold no interest for the fans and would run at a massive loss . Some very good posts on here regarding play offs.I am sure crowds drop off once you have qualified.Does a big crowd for the final make up the numbers I'm not sure.Really like Paulco's ice hockey idea. And what happens if went back to the old format and a team runs away with the league ? do you expect the teams in 2nd 3rd and 4th to have better crowds ? what about the teams who or 5th and 6th this year who still had a chance to make the play offs ,do you expect them somehow to have bigger crowds under the old format once there season is over by june ? Edited September 13, 2017 by orion 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Some very good posts on here regarding play offs.I am sure crowds drop off once you have qualified.Does a big crowd for the final make up the numbers I'm not sure.Really like Paulco's ice hockey idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 One thing I don't like about the playoffs is they put the admission price up for the final, thanks for supporting us all year and being a loyal fan in return we are going to sting you for another couple of quid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Yet again nearly every final in every sport put the price up for a final but in speedway its some how a crime even thou clubs need every penny they can get to survive . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 One thing I don't like about the playoffs is they put the admission price up for the final, thanks for supporting us all year and being a loyal fan in return we are going to sting you for another couple of quid Well given a Play off Final is at least 10 times better than a normal meeting for the atmosphere alone, we're still getting a bargain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Now I know you don't like American sport..... Just kidding, I know many of you love American sport. Maybe we can learn from the US. I don't know all the details of how games are organised in American Football but they basically organise the divisions on a roughly geographical basis. Games are played and teams are declared division champions. Each one of two conferences organise games at the end of the season to determine the conference champions and then they meet in the Super Bowl. My point is that the league structure means that they don't have this ambiguity between the team scoring the most team points and who wins the playoffs. Winning your division gets you to the next stage of being the champion. Let's have one big league. Split it into 4. Doesn't need to geographical, race night might be more logical. Organise the fixtures, which don't need to all within division but would be for the most part. Division leaders would race in semi finals and the winner of those meet in the final. Adopting this kind of idea has endless possibilities but we'd all know who the League Champions were at the end it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Yet again nearly every final in every sport put the price up for a final but in speedway its some how a crime even thou clubs need every penny they can get to survive .not interested in any other sports but when money is tight and the sport is struggling to attract fans it shouldn't be making the public pay extra , you get nothing extra for your money , the riders don't get anything extra , the costs are the same so why should the fans be charged extra ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Yet again nearly every final in every sport put the price up for a final but in speedway its some how a crime even thou clubs need every penny they can get to survive . Well, yeah, but the majority of finals are one-off affairs played in a super-duper stadium somewhere with comfortable seats, proper facilities and an excellent view. I'd pay well over qualifying match prices for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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