stevebrum Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 It's not an FIM sanctioned event is it?Personally I think bjerre will be at Belle Vue Bjerre should be at Belle Vue. The sec meeting on Monday is a re-arranged meeting from today, regardless of whether a re-arranged date is in any book. So the British play offs take priority. Bjerre would be signed on so is probably unable to choose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 Bjerre would be signed on so is probably unable to choose? The sec is re-arranged. The playoffs are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) The sec is re-arranged. The playoffs are not. Matters not Steve. He is signed in for the meeting and the official restaging date, that he has signed for, is Monday. The decision I think lies with the DMU. They can suspend Bjerre if he doesn't ride in the SEC. Hopefully common sense will prevail but this is speedway! Edited September 16, 2017 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 The sec is re-arranged. The playoffs are not. The rearranged date has been logged before today. Be no different if they rearranged a GP for Monday as it's an international known fixture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 The rearranged date has been logged before today. Be no different if they rearranged a GP for Monday as it's an international known fixture. There is a significant difference, there would be a facility for the GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 The rearranged date has been logged before today. Be no different if they rearranged a GP for Monday as it's an international known fixture. Lets assume it was a GP. Lets assume that the BSPA dont recognise the GP series. If Bjerre didn't ride the DMU would suspend him. Now change GP to SEC and what do you have? Ah yes, Bjerre either rides in the SEC or gets suspended by the DMU. He can't win, whatever happens someone is suspending him or he's letting down a club/country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 Lets assume it was a GP. Lets assume that the BSPA dont recognise the GP series. If Bjerre didn't ride the DMU would suspend him. Now change GP to SEC and what do you have? Ah yes, Bjerre either rides in the SEC or gets suspended by the DMU. He can't win, whatever happens someone is suspending him or he's letting down a club/country. Yep - he's utterly stuffed either way. I imagine his sponsors won't be too happy if he misses a SEC meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 Well considering Belle Vue will have to track a nl 6 pointer this semi is game over. Wolves fans rubbing their hands together with glee already and straight through to the final winning both legs with ease. What a shame and waste of time this season has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) Belle Vue may as well say he is withdrawing his services and use a guest or R/R. The season is effectively over anyway if they don't. I remember Swindon took that option a few years back when Renat Gafurov suddenly became unavailable for a playy-off semi at Reading. It wasn't the rider's fault but it was the only chance Swindon had. I think they still lost anyway, and it became the end of their season, but a chance had to be taken. Edited September 16, 2017 by grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) If Bjerre isn't there then British Speedway simply give up... I am sure he will be as surely he must.? Because if he isn't then BSPA you truly are irrelevant to the rest of the Speedway World and they hold you in nothing but complete contempt and ridicule... Notice the meeting wasn't arranged on a Polish play off date... Edited September 17, 2017 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) The sec is re-arranged. The playoffs are not. The play offs are rearranged. The original dates given when BT issued their schedule were later than this. I remember this because originally they didn't clash with me being away, but now they do. Edited September 16, 2017 by grachan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 Lets assume it was a GP. Lets assume that the BSPA dont recognise the GP series. If Bjerre didn't ride the DMU would suspend him. Now change GP to SEC and what do you have? Ah yes, Bjerre either rides in the SEC or gets suspended by the DMU. He can't win, whatever happens someone is suspending him or he's letting down a club/country. I agree. It's still classed as a recognised international fixture (although not by the BSPA) and he will be damned if he does of if he doesn't. Well considering Belle Vue will have to track a nl 6 pointer this semi is game over. Wolves fans rubbing their hands together with glee already and straight through to the final winning both legs with ease. What a shame and waste of time this season has been. Wolves fans won't be rubbing their hands with glee in the slightest. To be the best you want to beat the best. Taking out the Aces (stats will show they are the favourites) at full strength would set us up for the toughest challenge of beating the leagues top team in the final. This season hasn't been a waste of time at all. Only if you haven't had a good season maybe however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 Well considering Belle Vue will have to track a nl 6 pointer this semi is game over. Wolves fans rubbing their hands together with glee already and straight through to the final winning both legs with ease. What a shame and waste of time this season has been. This situation, if it pans out with Bjerre not riding for the Aces, is nothing to do with the Wolves, so kindly leave us out of it. Stirrer.😠 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 Well with Freddie winning the riders championship litle chance of Belle Vue beating Wolves anyway but certainly a lot easier without Bjerre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 Well with Freddie winning the riders championship litle chance of Belle Vue beating Wolves anyway but certainly a lot easier without Bjerre With respect FB 1 man does not make a team. Our record of two years at the NSS is poor. As for Bjerre, nothing is certain yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 With a fully fit complete side we definately could beat any side over two legs, Fricke has come back well but how will Bewley go on his return from a lay off? Smith probably wouldnt have scored much probably 1 or 2 so not a great miss but losing Bjerre would hand it to Wolves on a plate. Im not up on the rules but i would have thought that as the SEC is a re arranged fixture the play off semi would now take priority? Is it down to the rider? If so he wants to remember who gave him a job when Coventry sadly closed down. If Bjerre has no choice and we cant get a guest then thats it for me a total joke, the whole season wiped out in one meeting due to British speedway being so insignificant. Its not as if Bjerre is challenging in the SEC as hes been dire during the series, ironic he missed the 2005 final due to injury and the same rider could miss another p/o meeting due to this farce. We really are not destined to do well in this system at all are we? Without a number 1 the second leg will be just a formality, glad I decided to wait on buying my ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 If bjerre don't ride I'm done with speedway Oh dear that would be terrible, the irony! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Well considering Belle Vue will have to track a nl 6 pointer this semi is game over. Wolves fans rubbing their hands together with glee already and straight through to the final winning both legs with ease. What a shame and waste of time this season has been. Was quite looking forward to facing Play Off Kenny actually. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Oh dear that would be terrible, the irony! I agree that there shouldn't be no fixture clashes with the championship, feel sorry for worky fans Was quite looking forward to facing Play Off Kenny actually. It's looking highly unlikely that bjerre will ride. But belle vue management will be on the phone all day and pulling in a few favours. They have something up there sleeve that they think may sort it. If not then god knows. We could go with a NL rider at 1 then get bjerre back for away leg. We could get a guest or use R/R which means bjerre will get a 28 day ban but it means we can use guests in all legs Or bjerre can not ride in SEC and ride at belle vue and probably get a ban from EMU. So he won't do that. Just hope no fans blame bjerre as none of this is his fault. UK speedway are the only country to not acknowledge SEC and not it's biting them in the arse and unfortunately for us it's us that have paid the consequence. We could still win without bjerre though, cook fricke tungate Worrall and bewley could score enough points. But it's a massive task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) Could this be a watershed moment in the BSPA's stance with One Sport/SEC, which I personally have never agreed with? Their reluctance to recognise them in the way other federations do, in my opinion, hindered the development of British riders looking to make the step up from domestic to international class. Could there be a scenario where the BSPA go to One Sport & request that Kenny Bjerre is released from SEC to ride in their high profile TV playoff fixture tomorrow night. In return for this "goodwill gesture" , BSPA will over the winter negotiate a deal with them to recognise their events from 2018, maybe even host one of their events annually moving forward. Thus giving One Sport larger UK exposure, as well as giving British riders greater opportunity to make the (difficult) step from up in class & greater exposure to competitive international racing. Sadly I fear we'll end up with an NL guest for Bjerre, & what looked to me an exciting 50/50 contest ruined - not just for Aces fans like me, but for lovers of exciting, competitive speedway as a whole. We'll soon find out. Edited September 17, 2017 by mikec 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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