SCB Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 Most important meeting of the year and we have to race it without Fricke . What an absolutely farcical situation , Your meeting was rained off 10 days ago, maybe you should have rearranged it sooner 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadingRacer2017 Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) Confirmed teams for Friday 1. Kenneth Bjerre 2. Steve Worrall 3. Hans Andersen (Guest) 4. Rohan Tungate 5. Craig Cook 6. Dan Bewley 7. Rob Shuttleworth (Guest) 1. Freddie Lindgren 2. Kyle Howarth 3. Rory Schlein 4. R/R 5. Sam Masters 6. Mark Riss 7. Nathan Greaves Prediction - Belle Vue 51-39 Wolves - Wolves go through, JUST!! Edited September 27, 2017 by Danny Birds Of A Feather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 Confirmed teams for Friday 1. Kenneth Bjerre 2. Steve Worrall 3. Hans Andersen (Guest) 4. Rohan Tungate 5. Craig Cook 6. Dan Bewley 7. Rob Shuttleworth (Guest) 1. Freddie Lindgren 2. Kyle Howarth 3. Rory Schlein 4. R/R 5. Sam Masters 6. Mark Riss 7. Nathan Greaves What kind of strange pleasure do you get from doing this ? It has already been discussed that Andersen cannot guest. Weirdo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 Most important meeting of the year and we have to race it without Fricke . What an absolutely farcical situation , Was always going to be the case after the rain off. Run Thursday and screw wolves. Run Monday and (slightly) screw BT. Run Friday and screw Belle Vue and get double bubble as it screws the Colts. No brainer for the powers that be, win win in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) I am really pd off that the Belle vue management have agreed to rerun this meeting on Friday. I have spent a lot of money on not missing a home match and a few away matches for both the aces and the colts this year.Watching both teams reach the play offs has been brilliant but one silly decision could blow any chance of both teams winning anything this year and makes me think what's the point of supporting both teams all season. First the Aces.I know Wolves are missing Thorsell but with a 13 point lead and R/R using 4 of their top 5 riders as replacements round Belle vue I do not think their return will be much different to what Thorssell would have scored he does blow hot and cold round the NSS 3 wins and 2 last places in the PLRC proves my point. But imo with 13 points to catch up Fricke is not replaceable round Belle vue no replacement rider(if allowed) on his average will score anywhere near as many points and R/R will not replace his score as we cannot use Bjerre and a reserve will have to take one of his rides.It would have been bloody hard with Fricke but without him it makes it very unlikely that we will progress to the final. Now the Colts which Ps me off the most.They have finished top of the league and if I am honest they look for the league they are in a better team than the Aces and I had massive confidence that they could win the play offs.But now all this could come crashing down as on the same night the Colts are in a play off semi final at Lakeside.We are already without Smith and payne but with a good guest and R/R I think we could overcome this and hold them to a catchable score.But now because of this silly decision to ride both meetings on the same night we will now be without Bewley and Shuttleworth as well that's our top 4 riders missing for a play off semi final crazy. As I said one stupid decision could destroy a whole season for both teams. This is no slight on Wolves at all it just how this decision has made me feel and as I said I am more pd off with the affect this decision has had on the Colts as if they and my support of them all season does not matter. Edited September 27, 2017 by B.V 72 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 It may not be the fault of the Aces management. I suspect they were told by the BSPA that it had to be run before Monday and Friday would obviously be Wolves preference. Any night other than Thursday and we would be missing one or more riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) It may not be the fault of the Aces management. I suspect they were told by the BSPA that it had to be run before Monday and Friday would obviously be Wolves preference. Any night other than Thursday and we would be missing one or more riders.Who ever is to blame has really pissed me off I will be getting a refund on my Wolves ticket in the morning(I have not missed a home meeting in years) as I will not pay for a meeting that my team has little or no chance of winning because of the stupid way the sport is run.More so I cannot attend a meeting that says sod the Colts and could destroy any hopes of the Colts making their final. Edited September 28, 2017 by B.V 72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) 18.10.1 If a rider is representing their FMN in an FIM Speedway Championship, irrespective of the rider’s MA, a choice of Guest or Absent Rider Replacement facility (if permitted by Art 18.10) is available. According to that rule a guest isn't allowed. Otherwise why 'if permitted by Art 18.10'. Art 18.10 clearly doesn't permit a guest for a rider in the 2-5. FACILITIES a1) Absent #1: G or RR a2) Absent D-up (if riding for the “other” team) G or RR 1 Absent rider (2 – 5): RR c) More than 1 Absent rider (1 - 5) 1 x RR facility and G for all others d) Absent #6 or #7: G e) “No Facility” Premiership 1-5 Championship rider with an MA up to and including 4.00 Premiership 6-7 & Championship 1-7 NDL G* not declared in a SGBP & SGBC team declaration Is there any other reason why it would say 'if permitted by Art 18.10'? Maybe I am missing something? Edited to add: Only thing I can think of is it meaning that only 1 x RR facility can be used.. but then it should specify, if permitted by Art 18.10 c Edited September 28, 2017 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 According to that rule a guest isn't allowed. Otherwise why 'if permitted by Art 18.10'. Art 18.10 clearly doesn't permit a guest for a rider in the 2-5. FACILITIES a1) Absent #1: G or RR a2) Absent D-up (if riding for the other team) G or RR 1 Absent rider (2 5): RR c) More than 1 Absent rider (1 - 5) 1 x RR facility and G for all others d) Absent #6 or #7: G e) No Facility Premiership 1-5 Championship rider with an MA up to and including 4.00 Premiership 6-7 & Championship 1-7 NDL G* not declared in a SGBP & SGBC team declaration Is there any other reason why it would say 'if permitted by Art 18.10'? Maybe I am missing something? Edited to add: Only thing I can think of is it meaning that only 1 x RR facility can be used.. but then it should specify, if permitted by Art 18.10 c Looks like a contradictory rule.As "regardless of MA" is surely meant to indicate the facility is there for all riders? But as you say if that is the intent then there should be no need to refer back to "if permitted by 18:10" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Looks like a contradictory rule. As "regardless of MA" is surely meant to indicate the facility is there for all riders? But as you say if that is the intent then there should be no need to refer back to "if permitted by 18:10" This is the point, what has the MA got to do with anything in either rule? If it said regardless of team position it would make sense. It's pretty clear, a guest isn't permitted by Art 18.10. As you say, what other reason would there be for the 'if permitted by 18.10"? I have no doubt a guest will be allowed though as there is a precedent earlier in the season... So best choices seem to be Lambert, Harris or Nicholls? Edited September 28, 2017 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Who ever is to blame has really pissed me off I will be getting a refund on my Wolves ticket in the morning(I have not missed a home meeting in years) as I will not pay for a meeting that my team has little or no chance of winning because of the stupid way the sport is run.More so I cannot attend a meeting that says sod the Colts and could destroy any hopes of the Colts making their final.Understand your frustration mate, but to be honest neither Competition the two Aces' teams are in has any credibility anyway so I wouldn't look too deep in to the ramifications of the respective teams missing riders.. Just go along on Friday, take it for what it is, ie yet another contrived event in a long, long list of contrived Play Off Final qualification events, hopefully see some good racing in front of hopefully a good crowd for once, go home, continue with life.. Not worth getting worked up about the workings of British Speedway, the tipping point of it ever being ran with the credibility of a 'proper sport' has long since passed.. And win, lose, or draw, it doesn't really matter, because everyone knows there's zero kudos in winning any British Speedway title.. If you go, just enjoy the racing and hopefully the red and blue helmets will score more than the white and yellow/black ones.. If they dont, then hey-ho, it will soon be forgotten.. Edited September 28, 2017 by mikebv 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Met office has a much better forecast for tomorrow now. Rain in the morning but dry for the rest of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Belle vue had no chance but to run Friday, we had to get the meeting in before Monday or it gifted wolves the final We do not have permission to ride thursday so that's out of question Friday we are missing fricke only Saturday and Sunday both teams will be missing multiple riders. So Friday was the best decision. Regarding fricke missing it puts wolves as massive favourites now and if we did manage to do it then it would go down as one of the best/biggest wins in aces history. R/R is obvious choice with cook, tungate, Worrall and bewley being able to take a ride but if one of them is off form then we are stuffed. Can hsve Nicholls king Lawson bjerre. If go baby bjerre if we was to go for a guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 This is the point, what has the MA got to do with anything in either rule? If it said regardless of team position it would make sense. It's pretty clear, a guest isn't permitted by Art 18.10. As you say, what other reason would there be for the 'if permitted by 18.10"? I have no doubt a guest will be allowed though as there is a precedent earlier in the season... So best choices seem to be Lambert, Harris or Nicholls? Lambert is in same U21 final as Fricke- unless you meant Simon Lambert !!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Confirmed teams for Friday 1. Kenneth Bjerre 2. Steve Worrall 3. Hans Andersen (Guest) 4. Rohan Tungate 5. Craig Cook 6. Dan Bewley 7. Rob Shuttleworth (Guest) 1. Freddie Lindgren 2. Kyle Howarth 3. Rory Schlein 4. R/R 5. Sam Masters 6. Mark Riss 7. Nathan Greaves Prediction - Belle Vue 51-39 Wolves - Wolves go through, JUST!! Do you think its funny to post total rubbish on here and expect sensible fans to believe its gospel! Pathetic. Belle vue had no chance but to run Friday, we had to get the meeting in before Monday or it gifted wolves the final We do not have permission to ride thursday so that's out of question Friday we are missing fricke only Saturday and Sunday both teams will be missing multiple riders. So Friday was the best decision. Regarding fricke missing it puts wolves as massive favourites now and if we did manage to do it then it would go down as one of the best/biggest wins in aces history. R/R is obvious choice with cook, tungate, Worrall and bewley being able to take a ride but if one of them is off form then we are stuffed. Can hsve Nicholls king Lawson bjerre. If go baby bjerre if we was to go for a guest I would go with Harris. Edited September 28, 2017 by foreverblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Do you think its funny to post total rubbish on here and expect sensible fans to believe its gospel! Pathetic. I would go with Harris. He's riding for peterborough at Scunthorpe so we can't have him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 He's riding for peterborough at Scunthorpe so we can't have himAh good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Terrible situation for the aces, rr is very dangerous but couldnt have king or scotty guesting either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 The pendulum swings back in Wolves favour with Fricke missing. Ridiculous that we have to pander to BT who are not even paying for the privilege of broadcasting the final! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Understand your frustration mate, but to be honest neither Competition the two Aces' teams are in has any credibility anyway so I wouldn't look too deep in to the ramifications of the respective teams missing riders.. Just go along on Friday, take it for what it is, ie yet another contrived event in a long, long list of contrived Play Off Finsl qualification events, hopefully see some good racing in front of hopefully a good crowd for once, go home, continue with life.. Not worth getting worked up about the workings of British Speedway, the tipping point of it ever being ran with the credibility of a 'proper sport' has long since passed.. And win, lose, or draw, it doesn't really matter, because everyone knows there's zero kudos in winning any British Speedway title.. If you go, just enjoy the racing and hopefully the red and blue helmets will score more than the white and yellow/black ones.. If they dont, then hey-ho, it will soon be forgotten.. Probably the best post ever on this forum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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