Aces51 Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Couldn't agree more, after Freddies withdrawal I thought it was all over to be honest as I'm sure most BV fans did, bit when Rory is fired up he's a class act I think most of us thought we had a chance, not that it was all over for Wolves. With the best we could hope for in heat 13 being a 3-3, we knew we needed to pull back 6 points from the last two heats, so not by any means an easy task. Any news on Lindgren. Reported as going to hospital with a neck injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace no.5 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Well, where do I start, I appreciate that the vast majority of Aces fans are a decent bunch but there was a fair amount of glory hunters there last night that were nothing short of disgraceful, throwing bottles on to the track, booing an injured rider walking back to the pits after a horrific accident then cheering when it's announced he had to withdraw from the meeting, and some people on here having said previously derogatory comments about our fans, well last night was much worse than anything I've witnessed at Monmore. As for the heat 13 incident, I had a good view of it from the south terrace near bend 3. Bjerre and Freddie came down the back straight side by side with barely the width of a fag paper between them. Unless one of them backed out the result seemed inevitable but given the importance of the race neither was willing to do so. From the angle I saw it Freddie was ever so slightly in front on turn 3 when Bjerre made contact with Freddies back wheel causing him to lock up and his bike went sideways and catapulted him off. When 2 riders make contact on a bend it is almost always the rider on the inside who is excluded so it really was no surprise and certainly not a disgraceful decision by the referee. Had he had more camera angles to look at I'm certain the result would have been the same Funny how we see an incident so differently. I was on the back straight opposites tapes so was right behind the riders as they entered the turn. Coming down the back straight bjerre was just ahead of Lindgren. Certainly not the "width of a fag paper between them". Bjerre was inside line, Lindgren outside. Probably at least 6 feet gap. Lindgren just got the drop as they entered bend 3 and Lindgren literally turned left on bjerre and there was absolutely no way he could avoid him. I hope Freddie is ok, I really do. But I struggle to feel too bad for him as it was his own doing. You can't do what he did right there. And Bjerre was bang on in his press conference. Quite diplomatic if you ask me. It could easily have been bjerre who's season was ended through no fault of his own. And please usual suspects don't mention Thorssell, that was a 50/50 coming together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 best wishes to Freddie for a speedy recovery. If it is concussion ie a 9 day absence, does that mean he misses Torun GP?? In the meantime, what chance KK guesting for Freddie in the final? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) best wishes to Freddie for a speedy recovery. If it is concussion ie a 9 day absence, does that mean he misses Torun GP?? In the meantime, what chance KK guesting for Freddie in the final? lol Well they have said it is a neck injury, if nothing broken I expect him to give it a go. KK at Swindon maybe, at Wolves not a chance, I wouldn't want to bank on KK giving his all! Edited September 30, 2017 by foreverblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 best wishes to Freddie for a speedy recovery. If it is concussion ie a 9 day absence, does that mean he misses Torun GP?? In the meantime, what chance KK guesting for Freddie in the final? lol I would have Harris,100% effort every time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 I think most of us thought we had a chance, not that it was all over for Wolves. With the best we could hope for in heat 13 being a 3-3, we knew we needed to pull back 6 points from the last two heats, so not by any means an easy task. Any news on Lindgren. Reported as going to hospital with a neck injury. Still no news, really hoping he'll be ok but more hoping he'll be ok for Torun, we can have a guest but if he can't ride in the gp his chances of a medal are gone. Personally I think either Bomber or Scotty could do a good job for us home and away Funny how we see an incident so differently. I was on the back straight opposites tapes so was right behind the riders as they entered the turn. Coming down the back straight bjerre was just ahead of Lindgren. Certainly not the "width of a fag paper between them". Bjerre was inside line, Lindgren outside. Probably at least 6 feet gap. Lindgren just got the drop as they entered bend 3 and Lindgren literally turned left on bjerre and there was absolutely no way he could avoid him. I hope Freddie is ok, I really do. But I struggle to feel too bad for him as it was his own doing. You can't do what he did right there. And Bjerre was bang on in his press conference. Quite diplomatic if you ask me. It could easily have been bjerre who's season was ended through no fault of his own. And please usual suspects don't mention Thorssell, that was a 50/50 coming together. It's called rose tinted glasses, without the benefit of multi camera angles courtesy of BT I guess we'll never know for sure. Even then people would have different opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outofdarkness Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 best wishes to Freddie for a speedy recovery. If it is concussion ie a 9 day absence, does that mean he misses Torun GP?? In the meantime, what chance KK guesting for Freddie in the final? lol You'd get more points from Daffy Duck.Wouldnt entertain KK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace no.5 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Still no news, really hoping he'll be ok but more hoping he'll be ok for Torun, we can have a guest but if he can't ride in the gp his chances of a medal are gone. Personally I think either Bomber or Scotty could do a good job for us home and away It's called rose tinted glasses, without the benefit of multi camera angles courtesy of BT I guess we'll never know for sure. Even then people would have different opinions Oh I honestly think if BT could have shown it from multiple angles (like they should have!) there would have been no question who was at fault. I'm hoping that some video somewhere surfaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Oh I honestly think if BT could have shown it from multiple angles (like they should have!) there would have been no question who was at fault. I'm hoping that some video somewhere surfaces.You're entitled to your opinion as am I, all I can say is by the time they reached the end of the back straight they were virtually touching and it was obvious there was going to be contact unless one of them backed out, but given the importance of the race neither of them was willing to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Video evidence is the best, relying on an unreliable and self confessed forgetful persons report is the worst. Yet strangely the unbiased referee agrees with me lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
847084 Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 No definitive news on Freddie's condition. He is expecting more information on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Have a look at Bjerre's Twitter as there is a video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 https://twitter.com/kenneth_bjerre/status/914091321954045952 Here's the incident. Still say it's a 50/50 call, For those saying Bjerre was ahead, impossible for Lindgren to get over him as he did if that was the case. There was room for Bjerre to have taken a tighter inside line, likewise Lindgren could have gone wider. Shutting the door into corners is part and parcel of racing at the highest level, especially in GP's, if you are making a move up the inside you better make sure you've got a clean run as the referees do exclude the one on the inside the majority of the time. Not always correctly I might add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 https://twitter.com/kenneth_bjerre/status/914091321954045952 Here's the incident. Still say it's a 50/50 call, For those saying Bjerre was ahead, impossible for Lindgren to get over him as he did if that was the case. There was room for Bjerre to have taken a tighter inside line, likewise Lindgren could have gone wider. Shutting the door into corners is part and parcel of racing at the highest level, especially in GP's, if you are making a move up the inside you better make sure you've got a clean run as the referees do exclude the one on the inside the majority of the time. Not always correctly I might add. Yet another case where the rules are wrong. A racing indecent so the fairest way is to have both riders back in a re-run. A rule change is a cop out for a ref but there are so many incidents that it's almost impossible to say rider A or B was in the wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace no.5 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 https://twitter.com/kenneth_bjerre/status/914091321954045952 Here's the incident. Still say it's a 50/50 call, For those saying Bjerre was ahead, impossible for Lindgren to get over him as he did if that was the case. There was room for Bjerre to have taken a tighter inside line, likewise Lindgren could have gone wider. Shutting the door into corners is part and parcel of racing at the highest level, especially in GP's, if you are making a move up the inside you better make sure you've got a clean run as the referees do exclude the one on the inside the majority of the time. Not always correctly I might add. Bjerre was ahead on the back straight but Lindgren got the drop in to the turn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 racing incident for me ,see it every GP.Bjerre never got to the corner in front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Looked like Lindgren leant over Bjerre a fraction too early to me and caused the crash. Hope Lindgren is ok and fit for the final. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Lindgren was about to 360 it before bjerre hit him. Bjerre was ahead entering bend 3 but lindgren was on fast outside and got drop on him but dropped it a little to much meaning he lost his back wheel. As u can see luckily bjerre sees it and shuts off to avoid hitting Freddie at full speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 https://twitter.com/kenneth_bjerre/status/914091321954045952 Here's the incident. Still say it's a 50/50 call, For those saying Bjerre was ahead, impossible for Lindgren to get over him as he did if that was the case. There was room for Bjerre to have taken a tighter inside line, likewise Lindgren could have gone wider. Looking at that, clearly a 50/50 racing incident. If pushed I would have excluded Lindgren for leaning into Bjerre. But clearly no dirty riding by either, no intent by either. Just sad Freddie is injured. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedcrazy Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Its a good job the track is so safe, people are saying its the worst crash they have ever seen yet Lindgren, Bjerre & Cook all walked away. On another track the injuries would have been so much more severe as they avoided hard impact with fence as the track is so wide. "'Possible"" broken vertebrae in his neck .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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