Grachan Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Nonsense you have 13 points to play with, wolves should do it without doubt. Past results mean nothing as they weren't 2 legs. Fricke out weakens us more than JT out weakens you. Wolves to lose we all know that. JT is a big loss over 2 legs, especially at monmore. If a full strength Swindon should beat them. Swindon aren't at full strength. Zach Watsname is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Would rather meet BV in the final so hope they win tonight and win the sf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 No TR rides, remember. As for Thorssell isn't he the rider that just failed to beat Fricke to 3rd in the Premier riders final ? No Fricke finished 2nd lol Complete nonsense. Jacob is even more vital to us at the NSS whereas others ride the NSS well to replace Max. Past results were home and away so of course they mean something. Both times you have won on aggregate in the A and B fixtures. I'd love wolves to hang on to the 13 point lead but the Aces remain favourites to win on aggregate again. All your riders can cover JT, we need to cover 1 of max rides with a reserve. We will miss max more than you miss JT. Also you have 13 big points in the bag so of course your favourites it's not even close. League results are not run on aggregate so can't be compared, having a 13 point lead during the meeting will push wolves along which you don't have in a league match. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 If it's off tonight will BT be invited to film the coin toss for the place in the final? ;-) Won't need a coin toss. If it is rained off and it is decided they can't re-arrange it Wolves go through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Swindon aren't at full strength. Zach Watsname is out. Yes but that's nothing compared to wolves missing JT over 2 legs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 No Fricke finished 2nd lol All your riders can cover JT, we need to cover 1 of max rides with a reserve. We will miss max more than you miss JT. Also you have 13 big points in the bag so of course your favourites it's not even close. League results are not run on aggregate so can't be compared, having a 13 point lead during the meeting will push wolves along which you don't have in a league match. It seems no one rates their chances of winning, just proves how tight it's going to be, could go either way imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Belle Vue are very much favourites, we really don't have a good record at the NSS and with Masters half fit, R/R hampers us even more. Would be an upset for Wolves to progress to the final to face Swindon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) It will be a major surprise if the big spending wolves can't defend a lucky 13 point lead against a patched up Belle Vue team. With Bewley having to withdraw from his Glasgow meeting after his ordeal on Monday and Tungate and Cook also falling victim to the horror track, not to mention risking Smith returning from a nasty injury, the odds are, according to the bookies at least, literally stacked against The Aces. Three teams went 'all in' with the gp superstars in the close season and it looked like a waste of money as all three languished in the qualifiers. Bravely they chucked even more money at it to keep their season alive. It worked well for two of them but the owner ballesed it up at Kings Lynn to some effect, lol! From reports, when it is cheap as chips to get in, the Swindon fans have been out in numbers supporting their team, while the wolves promotion are on record moaning about their crap support, although there have been unreliable reports of fans being turned away at a recent meeting? (probably jackanory?) Oh well, at least the league cup final crowd should make up for it but don't forget to install the temporary grandstand, it would be a stupid mistake to have to turn fans away again wouldn't it? Lucky sounds like a bit off - the lead probably and would've been more if Thorssell wasn't injured in heat 14! Edited September 29, 2017 by Perton Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Yes but that's nothing compared to wolves missing JT over 2 legs That wasn't your original point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Confirmed Jack Smith rides tonight. Rob Shuttleworth at number 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Nonsense you have 13 points to play with, wolves should do it without doubt. Past results mean nothing as they weren't 2 legs. Fricke out weakens us more than JT out weakens you. Wolves to lose we all know that. JT is a big loss over 2 legs, especially at monmore. If a full strength Swindon should beat them. Quite agree Fricke is a bigger loss than Thorssell but Thorssell did get paid 10 last time and rode well enough to make the final of the premiership riders so not a great deal in it but the advantage Wolves have is that Lindgren can take one of the r/r rides and Bjerre cannot which could be the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) Won't need a coin toss. If it is rained off and it is decided they can't re-arrange it Wolves go through. That's a relief. I'd heard that the £2 coin was busy elsewhere and they were going to have to find a €2 instead or use change-replacement of 4 50 pences. Edited September 29, 2017 by Rob McCaffery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Confirmed Jack Smith rides tonight. Rob Shuttleworth at number 8. This should make a difference but whether he can beat Greaves when coming back from injury is debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 No Fricke finished 2nd lol All your riders can cover JT, we need to cover 1 of max rides with a reserve. We will miss max more than you miss JT. Also you have 13 big points in the bag so of course your favourites it's not even close. League results are not run on aggregate so can't be compared, having a 13 point lead during the meeting will push wolves along which you don't have in a league match. Quite agree Fricke is a bigger loss than Thorssell but Thorssell did get paid 10 last time and rode well enough to make the final of the premiership riders so not a great deal in it but the advantage Wolves have is that Lindgren can take one of the r/r rides and Bjerre cannot which could be the difference. Wolves don't have a great record at the NSS so it depends how you look at it. Aces are more than capable of pulling back 13 points. Bewley may have to take an RR however he is more than capable of getting double figures. A huge difference having a big scoring reserve and that's where the Aces will win AFAIC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 That's a relief. I'd heard that the £2 coin was busy elsewhere and they were going to have to find a €2 instead or use change-replacement of 4 50 pences. Brexit now means all euro's are banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 This should be a comfortable Belle Vue win. I am not a fan of either team so I'm not playing any "we're the underdogs/NO we're the underdogs" game. They have the capability at home, without Fricke, to win easily. Masters has been poor recently but that's the only possible light for Wolves - if he produces good points they could progress but on the balance of probabilities I side with BV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Wolves don't have a great record at the NSS so it depends how you look at it. Aces are more than capable of pulling back 13 points. Bewley may have to take an RR however he is more than capable of getting double figures. A huge difference having a big scoring reserve and that's where the Aces will win AFAIC. Riss is pretty decent rider though and I expect him to beat Smith at least a couple of times, it's a speedway meeting anything could happen, you only have to look at the Swindon meeting Monday, who would have thought Ellis score would be so low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Confirmed Jack Smith rides tonight. Rob Shuttleworth at number 8. A no 8 ? That's unheard of these days. Well done the Aces. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 So Shuttleworth is now missing from the Colts' play-off semi final to be at number 8 and probably not needed for the Aces? I assume any National League rider can now miss a meeting in that league to be included as a number 8 in a higher division Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Thirteen is a big ask to pull back, with Fricke yes without I don't fancy us, Lindgren being able to take a r/r ride whilst Bjerre is not could clinch it as well as Smith just back from injury. As for our record against Wolves over the two league matches irrelevant really as was proven last season, Lindgren is the real class act on show and could easily go through the card, and lets not forget this is a play off and so far we have choked each time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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