hyabb17 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Let's hope common sense pervails. Bjerre is in a situation through no fault of his own, I don't think BV should be punished for this. The bspa need to start recognising the speedway Euro meetings. Let our boys take part & gain experience on foreign tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 The play offs are rearranged. The original dates given when BT issued their schedule were later than this. I remember this because originally they didn't clash with me being away, but now they do. Only the final dates have changed (been brought forward a week), the semi's haven't changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 if Bjerre were to be prevented from riding in Manchester on Monday due to him having signed-in to the SEC meeting then surely the same would apply to those riders also signed-in who are due to ride in Poland today? #Letsmakeirrelevantspeedwaythatgetsintheweayoftherealsport 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPD444 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Whilst this situation is not of Kenneth's making, how it is resolved appears to be in his hands. If he has any loyalty to Belle Vue then he should make his decision as soon as possible and give us the maximum time to sort out a replacement. I am sure Mark has been in contact with the BSPA to get a ruling on what choices we have. I really is a shame that just when I looked like we can field our full team this come along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Whilst this situation is not of Kenneth's making, how it is resolved appears to be in his hands. If he has any loyalty to Belle Vue then he should make his decision as soon as possible and give us the maximum time to sort out a replacement. I am sure Mark has been in contact with the BSPA to get a ruling on what choices we have. I really is a shame that just when I looked like we can field our full team this come along. Its definitely not in Kenneth's hands! Either way he choose's he could get a ban, up to the authorities to sort it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 This is one time when speedways best interest might be best served by torrential rain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPD444 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Its definitely not in Kenneth's hands! Either way he choose's he could get a ban, up to the authorities to sort it out. I see now that he will have to do what he is told. I didn't know that this DMU had such authority but, in fairness, he has to do what is best for him in the long term. Equally I am not sure the answer is for us to refuse to ride. Lets hope that the DMU do accept that he has no chance of winning this competition so they will release him to ride for us. I am not holding my breathe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 If it rains and the SEC is called off again could we have RR for Bjerre instead of a junior guest like Newcastle did for Lambert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Now I know we're talking about the BSPA here but surely they can not afford a big play off semi final on TV to go ahead with 1 team having a 4 pointer at number 1. This would be so damaging for British speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 If it rains and the SEC is called off again could we have RR for Bjerre instead of a junior guest like Newcastle did for Lambert? No, because he would still be missing without a valid (per the rules) reason. Now I know we're talking about the BSPA here but surely they can not afford a big play off semi final on TV to go ahead with 1 team having a 4 pointer at number 1. This would be so damaging for British speedway. You could say that's the gamble you take signing riders who are in these events. Wasn't Thorssell meant to be in the SEC, or an SEC qualifier and he withdrew because it clashed with a Wolves fixture and he decided his club comes first? Part of me does agree with what you say though and that in this instance a facility should be allowed BUT the other part of me is thinking that is exactly the problem the sport has, ignoring rules as and when it chooses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 I was going to say that " you couldn't make it up" - but there is no need to as it seems to be unravelling before our very eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 I agree. It's still classed as a recognised international fixture (although not by the BSPA) and he will be damned if he does of if he doesn't. Wolves fans won't be rubbing their hands with glee in the slightest. To be the best you want to beat the best. Taking out the Aces (stats will show they are the favourites) at full strength would set us up for the toughest challenge of beating the leagues top team in the final. This season hasn't been a waste of time at all. Only if you haven't had a good season maybe however. Belle vue have had a very good season but even I can see this season has been a farce. More guests and r/r than ever before, the holder and bachelor situations. Monday could be and most probably would be the end for BT sport if the have to try an explain a 4 pointer at number 1. Personally if I was the BSPA id ask wolves to allow BV to use r/r without bjerre being banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 No, because he would still be missing without a valid (per the rules) reason. You could say that's the gamble you take signing riders who are in these events. Wasn't Thorssell meant to be in the SEC, or an SEC qualifier and he withdrew because it clashed with a Wolves fixture and he decided his club comes first? Part of me does agree with what you say though and that in this instance a facility should be allowed BUT the other part of me is thinking that is exactly the problem the sport has, ignoring rules as and when it chooses. It may be that Bjerre would put his club first but he hasn't got that option if the DMU ban him for doing so. We shall just have to wait and see what the authorities decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 On the wolves official site, no mention of the Bjerre situation. Just says Shuttle worth in for Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Personally, and I guess there'll be fellow Wolfs who disagree, I'd let BV have a guest or RR as they please if Bjerre can't ride. But as has been mentioned above that would drive a coach and horses through the 'rules', such as they are. That would make a pleasant change from the 'win at all costs' mob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Personally, and I guess there'll be fellow Wolfs who disagree, I'd let BV have a guest or RR as they please if Bjerre can't ride. But as has been mentioned above that would drive a coach and horses through the 'rules', such as they are. That would make a pleasant change from the 'win at all costs' mob. I'd let them have R/R but not a Guest. This situation is farcical really but I can't see how Bjerre can get out of this situation and ride for Belle Vue, he agreed to ride in the SEC before signing for them. I still don't understand why the BSPA hasn't recognised the SEC as a competition. Would provide an excellent stepping stone for the likes of Lambert before challenging for the GPs. Instead, it's full of young Poles which will hurt us in the long term, there's no reason there couldn't be a few Brits involved and the NSS could even host one of their rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) I'd let them have R/R but not a Guest. This situation is farcical really but I can't see how Bjerre can get out of this situation and ride for Belle Vue, he agreed to ride in the SEC before signing for them. I still don't understand why the BSPA hasn't recognised the SEC as a competition. Would provide an excellent stepping stone for the likes of Lambert before challenging for the GPs. Instead, it's full of young Poles which will hurt us in the long term, there's no reason there couldn't be a few Brits involved and the NSS could even host one of their rounds. I'm not sure of your reasoning for r/r but not a guest. He's our number 1 so when a facility is available we could use either. However, the reality is that there is nobody available tomorrow who would remotely cover for him at the NSS, so r/r would be our best option. Edited September 17, 2017 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 I'd let them have R/R but not a Guest. This situation is farcical really but I can't see how Bjerre can get out of this situation and ride for Belle Vue, he agreed to ride in the SEC before signing for them. I still don't understand why the BSPA hasn't recognised the SEC as a competition. Would provide an excellent stepping stone for the likes of Lambert before challenging for the GPs. Instead, it's full of young Poles which will hurt us in the long term, there's no reason there couldn't be a few Brits involved and the NSS could even host one of their rounds. and if the bspa had recognised the SEC and let cook and worrall ride in it then belle vue wouldn't of had a team for tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 and if the bspa had recognised the SEC and let cook and worrall ride in it then belle vue wouldn't of had a team for tomorrow Maybe the SEC wouldn't have rescheduled it for the night of our playoffs? As it stands, they have no incentive to accomodate us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Bspa could put the squeeze on riders entering the sec. ride in the sec, and a round clashes with a league meeting, is a 28 day ban. Make riders think twice about entering this two bit tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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