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Ghosty Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 I will say this for the THIRD time the BSPA have already made a big mistake going for Mondays & Thursdays (Premier league) in 2018. It has to be Wednesdays & Fridays surely. If you are trying to attract at least one "name" per team - do those "names" want to ride: Sunday Poland, Monday U.K., Tuesday Sweden on a weekly basis then add a Saturday G.P. on 8 of the weeks! I'm I the only one that can see this? Would Wednesdays & Thursdays be the best days to suit the U.K. top league? I just can't see any long term future with Mondays. Therefore the U.K. middle league run Fridays & Saturdays. The Conference league Sundays & Mondays (if required). The middle & lower league should only contain riders that are U.K. based for the season. I know this will never happen but it would save a fortune on travel cost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Would Wednesdays & Thursdays be the best days to suit the U.K. top league? I just can't see any long term future with Mondays. Therefore the U.K. middle league run Fridays & Saturdays. The Conference league Sundays & Mondays (if required). The middle & lower league should only contain riders that are U.K. based for the season. I know this will never happen but it would save a fortune on travel cost! Once again Stadia availability has to be taken in to account. What if that suggestion cause Track to close? What is your answer to that? Or perhaps you will just say - Tough. I would be interested to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Once again Stadia availability has to be taken in to account. What if that suggestion cause Track to close? What is your answer to that? Or perhaps you will just say - Tough. I would be interested to know. The future of U.K. Speedway is in a sink or swim situation, I think everyone agrees with that. Unless major changes are made we will be left with 6-8 tracks in total! Having the top league race Mondays makes no sense & will not be sustainable. The solution will be the league a team competes in will be determined by the day/days your track is available - Tough may be for some tracks but we are looking @ the overall survival of Speedway in the U.K. Your views please Phil Rising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Surely the asvantage of Monday is that unlike Wednesday it does not clash with Denmark and it seems to be a night favoured by TV. And all clubs seem to have been able to run on a Monday for to fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 What a shame Ole Olsen's Flying Circus caused British Speedway to lose thousands of spectators when they took Saturday night racing off our calendar Think of the "major" clubs which rode on Saturdays - Belle Vue, Coventry, Cradley Heath, Kings Lynn, Swindon, Wembley, etc No concerns about youngsters being out late before a schoolday Thanks, Great Pain 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) The future of U.K. Speedway is in a sink or swim situation, I think everyone agrees with that. Unless major changes are made we will be left with 6-8 tracks in total! Having the top league race Mondays makes no sense & will not be sustainable. The solution will be the league a team competes in will be determined by the day/days your track is available - Tough may be for some tracks but we are looking @ the overall survival of Speedway in the U.K. Your views please Phil Rising. I don't want any more Tracks to close. You are correct when you say things need to change. It is how that change is managed that is important. Forcing Clubs to change their Meeting days could and probably will result in Track closures. You say "tough" for some Tracks. I sincerely hope one of them isn't yours. I'm sorry I just don't get how saving Speedway equates with Track closures. Edited October 6, 2017 by The White Knight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) I don't get why people are thinking this 'fixed night' proposal has only just come up. The BSPA members have been discussing introducing it for at least 3 agms in order to give clubs the opportunity to decide the best 2 nights for the Premiership and negotiations to take place for other clubs and their landlords where necessary. Premiership clubs have been used to running on Mondays for TV. Wednesdays (the other main option to Thursdays) would impact on the Danish League who the BSPA wish to keep in with and would impact on some Danes who will wish to race over here!! Championship teams will have the pick of all the other nights/days. Our 'beloved' BSPA Chairman has stated recently that all clubs affected are in agreement - they just have to vote it in at this year's agm and rubber stamp it! Edited October 7, 2017 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 I don't get why people are thinking this 'fixed night' proposal has only just come up. The BSPA members have been discussing introducing it for at least 3 agms in order to give clubs the opportunity to decide the best 2 nights for the Premiership and negotiations to take place for other clubs and their landlords where necessary. Premiership clubs have been used to running on Mondays for TV. Wednesdays (the other main option to Thursdays) would impact on the Danish League who the BSPA wish to keep in with and would impact on some Danes who will wish to race over here!! Championship teams will have the pick of all the other nights/days. Our 'beloved' BSPA Chairman has stated recently that all clubs affected are in agreement - they just have to vote it in at this year's agm and rubber stamp it! We can only wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 I don't want any more Tracks to close. You are correct when you say things need to change. It is how that change is managed that is important. Forcing Clubs to change their Meeting days could and probably will result in Track closures. You say "tough" for some Tracks. I sincerely hope one of them isn't yours. I'm sorry I just don't get how saving Speedway equates with Track closures. I have not said that any tracks need to close.... But if a track can't race on the set-out race nights for the league it would like to be in it "simply" has to operate in a different league. We all agree that U.K. speedway is in a desperate state, if the U.K. just carry on tweaking this & tweaking that it will die in 3 to 4 years. Desperate needs = desperate measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Hopefully there is also agreement over race night priority. I dont think a club having to move night to be in a particular league should further lose out. Eg Redcar stay in tier 2 and cant remain on a Thursday. Whatever the new night they chose I think there shouldnt be a pecking order and instead an equal share priority be in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Poland and Sweden don't use guests..... Therefore there is an alternative to having guests... Why don't Poland and Sweden use guests? Because all teams in the same League ride (in the main) on the same night, so riders cannot be in two places at the same time... We have had guest riders for quite many years, since 2011 I think (don't remember exact year) but it worked more like you doubling up I think. A Swedish rider could sign with an Allsvenskan team and also sign with an Elitserien team as a guest riders. Each Elitserien team had two season permanent guest rider positions (riders could be changed in transfer window or because of injury). Allsvenskan team can also sign Elitserien riders as guest riders and this was mainly used for riders that have an Elitserien average of 0.500 since they don't occupy a squad slot. However, guestriders for Elitserien have been scrapped for next year and have been changed for Allsvenskan where there now is no limit on the amount of guestriders but the squad still can be max 8 riders and they guestriders still needs to be Elitserien riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) I know the Swedish system GW and as you say it's more like our DU system... (But with structure)! I think it was brought in to give the top Swedish lads more meetings and give the second tier a chance to have these riders riding at their tracks, as well as cover the dwindling amount of Swedish riders available.. What it doesn't allow is for one team in the same League to borrow a rider from another team.. Sadly that is the farce in Britain... Sign Jason Doyle and effectively you have access to every rider in the League and can cherry pick them on a 'horses for courses' basis when he is absent... Every Premiership team riding in the same night will prevent this, and should mean DU'ing becomes a positive in so much that teams will be competitive, riders will get plenty of meetings, and no fixture clashes between the two leagues means more credibilty as each DU rider can ride for his team(s) every meeting.... Having said that, I still believe in Santa Clause, The Tooth Fairy and The Easter Bunny so who knows...😦 Edited October 7, 2017 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 I know the Swedish system GW and as you say it's more like our DU system... (But with structure)! I think it was brought in to give the top Swedish lads more meetings and give the second tier a chance to have these riders riding at their tracks, as well as cover the dwindling amount of Swedish riders available.. What it doesn't allow is for one team in the same League to borrow a rider from another team.. Sadly that is the farce in Britain... Sign Jason Doyle and effectively you have access to every rider in the League and can cherry pick them on a 'horses for courses' basis when he is absent... Every Premiership team riding in the same night will prevent this, and should mean DU'ing becomes a positive in so much that teams will be competitive, riders will get plenty of meetings, and no fixture clashes between the two leagues means more credibilty as each DU rider can ride for his team(s) every meeting.... Having said that, I still believe in Santa Clause, The Tooth Fairy and The Easter Bunny so who knows... 'Every Premiership team' wont be riding on the same night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 'Every Premiership team' wont be riding on the same night. Surely that's one of the two main reason to have fixed race nights, bring some big hitters back and gain the Sport some credibility in team selections.. ..? Monday (if ten teams), five matches... Then on the Thursday the reverse fixture... Like the play offs show, a return match soon after a meeting can also bring a bit of 'needle' which can only be good for the Sport.. No point bothering with fixed nights if you still will end up with 'guestfest' after 'guestfest'... The danger is if still 'guestfest' after 'guestfest' takes place, the Sport will still end up having no credibility but now on potentially no credibility on untried nights for many teams where they try and attract a crowd base... You might as well stick to racing on nights you feel you can attract the best crowd if that's the case.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Surely that's one of the two main reason to have fixed race nights, bring some big hitters back and gain the Sport some credibility in team selections.. ..? Monday (if ten teams), five matches... Then on the Thursday the reverse fixture... Like the play offs show, a return match soon after a meeting can also bring a bit of 'needle' which can only be good for the Sport.. No point bothering with fixed nights if you still will end up with 'guestfest' after 'guestfest'... The danger is if still 'guestfest' after 'guestfest' takes place, the Sport will still end up having no credibility but now on potentially no credibility on untried nights for many teams where they try and attract a crowd base... You might as well stick to racing on nights you feel you can attract the best crowd if that's the case.. I don't think it works like that, some teams wont want both nights and there wont be that many fixtures to do it as you suggest. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 I don't want any more Tracks to close. yet you're happy to keep away from speedway because of the tactical rule 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) yet you're happy to keep away from speedway because of the tactical rule Don't be silly - of course I am not happy. What a bloody stupid question. I have explained numerous times why I don't go - I will not go to Speedway to get myself angry and upset. You might think that is daft, reading your Post, you probably do. I will say this yet again - remove the Tactical Ride and I will return, there are more folk than just me think it is a pathetic Rule but do the Promoters listen? Do they listen to Supporter's Views on Doubling Up which I don't like either, but would not stop me attending? The simple answer is - no they don't. Stupid Rules make a great Sport stupid. If Speedway is to go down the pan - it is on their heads, not mine. I hope that makes my position clear - and answered your ridiculous statement/question. EDIT: I maintain my interest in the Sport purely in the hope the day will come that Double Points is scrapped. Edited October 9, 2017 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 If Speedway is to go down the pan - it is on their heads, not mine. if speedway goes down the pan, it's because people are keeping away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 There is a KoCup match at Newcy tonight TWK and no tacticals allowed...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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