PHILIPRISING Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 How did he apply that to Dutch speedway? WHAT'S that got to do with anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 WHAT'S that got to do with anything? Did he practice what he preached? It's a statement of the bleeding obvious that you can't cut costs forever, but it might keep you in business for a while if revenue is dropping with limited prospects for improving the situation. And British speedway is currently in that situation and has the choice between that or going out of business. And I don't recall seeing Jos Vaessen at a Dutch speedway meeting ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 Did he practice what he preached? It's a statement of the bleeding obvious that you can't cut costs forever, but it might keep you in business for a while if revenue is dropping with limited prospects for improving the situation. And British speedway is currently in that situation and has the choice between that or going out of business. And I don't recall seeing Jos Vaessen at a Dutch speedway meeting ever. SO you attended every Dutch speedway meeting? He was at many, came to England with a Dutch team, and was heavily involved while also working as a senior minister (transport) in the Dutch government. Of course, he was later CCP President and then President of the whole FIM shooting match. I certainly didn't agree with everything he did (two day WF for one) but he was and still is a man with speedway in his heart and we had a much more influential voice within the FIM when he was in charge. A very impressive, charming and imposing man who stood about 6ft 6ins and talked to all and sundry from a great height. It added to his persona and he was for a long time a great asset for speedway in the corridors of power. As an aside, for many years while in government he was afforded a chauffeur and for much of that time it was former Holland and Wimbledon rider Rudy Muts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 SO you attended every Dutch speedway meeting? He was at many, came to England with a Dutch team, and was heavily involved while also working as a senior minister (transport) in the Dutch government. Of course, he was later CCP President and then President of the whole FIM shooting match. I certainly didn't agree with everything he did (two day WF for one) but he was and still is a man with speedway in his heart and we had a much more influential voice within the FIM when he was in charge. A very impressive, charming and imposing man who stood about 6ft 6ins and talked to all and sundry from a great height. It added to his persona and he was for a long time a great asset for speedway in the corridors of power. As an aside, for many years while in government he was afforded a chauffeur and for much of that time it was former Holland and Wimbledon rider Rudy Muts. ...I think I must be one of the few people who enjoyed the Two Day World Final...but then I was a Hans fan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) SO you attended every Dutch speedway meeting? Most if not all from about 1996 to 1999, plus a few grasstracks and ice meetings. But getting back to raising revenue - just how do you propose to do that in speedway? Even the highest level of the sport has struggled to increase revenue beyond a modest point, and is now seeing diminishing returns. Few would disagree that British speedway doesn't help itself, but it's a hard task even for your global marketing genius friends. Edited September 19, 2017 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) Getting speedway fans to actually 'share' posts on social media would be a start, so many likes but few shares! Market the riders ala Bruce Penhall? Edited September 19, 2017 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 ...I think I must be one of the few people who enjoyed the Two Day World Final...but then I was a Hans fan! I did as well- it was Amsterdam remember getting soaked leaving the stadium- Saturday night ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 you won't get 10kg extra weight without including the engine , the more weight the slower the bike , it will make a difference and because it does it will never happen How about having a minimum stroke and a rev limiter? little point in having light flywheels on a long stroke that's not allowed to rev to death and it's really simple to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) How about having a minimum stroke and a rev limiter? little point in having light flywheels on a long stroke that's not allowed to rev to death and it's really simple to check. easier to check weight but any suggestion that is mooted will be shot down by riders, Rev limiters only work if they are set below 11,000 revs and then they become dangerous , it's unlikely that rev limiter currently used gets hit on British tracks Edited September 19, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 Looks like we're still going the other way, latest must have piece of kit is the Karger digital ignition, that's going g to cost a few grand to put on all a Riders bikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 Looks like we're still going the other way, latest must have piece of kit is the Karger digital ignition, that's going g to cost a few grand to put on all a Riders bikes.i believe this was used at the start of the year and the SCB banned it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 Can't see anything in the SCB regs,even data logging is legal now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 HEARING that Mondays and Thursday for the Premiership is pretty much a done deal. No idea who will be in it and how many tracks are in danger of closing but there are at least two all but on the chopping block. Fingers crossed that they survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 HEARING that Mondays and Thursday for the Premiership is pretty much a done deal. No idea who will be in it and how many tracks are in danger of closing but there are at least two all but on the chopping block. Fingers crossed that they survive.going to say I can't believe they would put tracks at risk of closing but thinking about it of course they would , the BSPA specialise in single minded self interest 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 DON'T think tracks in danger of closing is because of race nights. No offers for Birmingham so far and Workington's problems have been well documented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) Couldn't Cradley move to Birmingham ? A mix of hopefully both teams supporters could go a long way to getting Cradley back home and a lifeline for someone to take over Birmingham Ok I'll admit it I'm delusional Edited September 19, 2017 by Triple.H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 the poles have been using advance and retard mechanisms of one sort or another for a few years , now advance and retard is hidden inside the plastic shell of Motoplat, selltra and PVL , a bit difficult to detect really ,................. Unless of course a rider has power and speed when everyone else is struggling .. How does a rider alter it on the fly,or is it altered by an ECU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 Couldn't Cradley move to Birmingham ? A mix of hopefully both teams supporters could go a long way to getting Cradley back home and a lifeline for someone to take over Birmingham Ok I'll admit it I'm delusional DON'T think Cradley's previous use of Birmingham worked out very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 How does a rider alter it on the fly,or is it altered by an ECU originally the poles had a switch concealed . until martin smolinski revealed the magic button thinking he had done nothing wrong . but the new ignitions just have the advance and retard built in . I think it can be programmed with a laptop as well , It's the same system as fitted to trials bikes and Mx bikes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 originally the poles had a switch concealed . until martin smolinski revealed the magic button thinking he had done nothing wrong . but the new ignitions just have the advance and retard built in . I think it can be programmed with a laptop as well , It's the same system as fitted to trials bikes and Mx bikes A laptop during a race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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