New Science Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: That was me and I stick with that scenario. Get rid of the points limit completely. Teams build to whatever level they can afford. Clubs on a sound financial footing have been dragged down to the level of clubs living on a wing and a prayer. Some will say typical selfish Poole fan but they miss the point. If for example, Rye cannot afford the team they put together, then put out a team with Championship strength. When a big club comes to town it could be a bit of beat the big boys. Crowds will turn up to see it happen. The removal of a points limit will mean self policing. If a team discovers it can’t afford the team, out goes the 9 pointer and in comes a 4.5 rider. Promotions want to make a profit and it might take a season or two to get it right but it would stop the pandering to the weakest. Also bring back two British youngsters in the reserve berths. Worked well and totally wrong to be scrapped. Not sure about unlimited points limit when Poole can't even afford race suits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, New Science said: Not sure about unlimited points limit when Poole can't even afford race suits There may well be other teams who can put together more impressive teams under a no limit system. At least this way we are not pandering to the weakest link. Edited June 30, 2018 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: There may well be other teams who can put together more impressive teams under a no limit system. At least this way we are not pandering to the weakest link. Have wanted that for a long time, mainly to enable the clubs to keep the same riders rather than having to lose one or two every year because the bspa weaken the league most years, but there has always been one or two that have voted against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said: There may well be other teams who can put together more impressive teams under a no limit system. At least this way we are not pandering to the weakest link. Remember Dan McCormack and Cradley who got their way and with no points limit. Built a team of all stars and went unbeaten one season. Great if you supported Cradley but other clubs suffered as no competition - Cradley win everything. Probably started the decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbiter Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 So have Rye House folded? There website says nothing to suggest this yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Well IF Harris has signed for Swindon, that must be the case or has he broken his contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: There may well be other teams who can put together more impressive teams under a no limit system. At least this way we are not pandering to the weakest link. That's the way forward for British speedway... … I know you have your rod out again, but you are the weakest link.Goodbye Edited June 30, 2018 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 5 hours ago, iris123 said: why bother with a pints limit 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: Well IF Harris has signed for Swindon, that must be the case or has he broken his contract? No one has signed for anyone. I would hope they are doing everything they can to make sure Rye House see the season out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 3 hours ago, ReadingRacer2017 said: Chris Harris replaces David Bellego at Swindon. Source LK LK ???????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 hour ago, waytogo28 said: Well IF Harris has signed for Swindon, that must be the case or has he broken his contract? It’s all IFS. There is nothing official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 28 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: LK ???????????????????????? Least Knowledgeable I’d imagine. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Understand Somerset have cancelled their home fixture against Rye House next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) This is a desperate situation for british speedway, it has to be resolved for the good of the premiership and British speedway in general but I just don’t know how it can be, sad sad times for our once great sport and I feel for the rye house fans and riders Edited June 30, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 7 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: That was me and I stick with that scenario. Get rid of the points limit completely. Teams build to whatever level they can afford. Clubs on a sound financial footing have been dragged down to the level of clubs living on a wing and a prayer. Some will say typical selfish Poole fan but they miss the point. If for example, Rye cannot afford the team they put together, then put out a team with Championship strength. When a big club comes to town it could be a bit of beat the big boys. Crowds will turn up to see it happen. The removal of a points limit will mean self policing. If a team discovers it can’t afford the team, out goes the 9 pointer and in comes a 4.5 rider. Promotions want to make a profit and it might take a season or two to get it right but it would stop the pandering to the weakest. Also bring back two British youngsters in the reserve berths. Worked well and totally wrong to be scrapped. I have said for years that Averages are killing the Sport,like you say when the big club comes to your home town the fans will turn up see if you can put one over them,with today's structure (guests,r/r,average manipulation etc) winning the league means nothing anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 If finances are the big problem ( ie losing huge amounts on FRNs ) there are only two ways to continue 1) subsidise them in some way 2) allow them ( and others near a similar plight ) to move to their regular nights IF fixture can be juggled. I cannot see other ways out of this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 9 hours ago, wealdstone said: Understand Somerset have cancelled their home fixture against Rye House next week. it's on the Somerset web site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 If you do away with averages far from getting a huge crowd when the 'big' clubs turn up you will decimate your fan base the rest of the year and even if crowds increase by 20% for the big club it will be a poor turnout. One proven fact with Speedway (like most team sports) is that winning at home brings the best crowds so you have to do that the majority of the time. As much as I'm in favour of producing tracks that provide good, fair racing if I were a Promoter in need of as much income as possible I'd be providing my riders with whatever they asked for in order to win at home! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 It was and still is the case that there are good and bad teams.There were always teams you looked at to see when they were at your place and thought ‘ok,I can go on holiday then and not miss much’ and there were teams you or I did not want to miss and would also go and see them if they were at another track,like Hackney that was nearby All this leveling off with points or averages never stopped a couple of teams being poor,but did mean your team might have to dumb down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 21 hours ago, orion said: Only speedway fans can think that star names won't makes the crowds bigger .it like saying that more people wont come to see mcg at darts ronnie O'Sullivan at snooker Messi at football etc .its no wonder speedway is in a mess if people have a mind set like that .it's simple fact as the standard has dropped so have the crowds it's not rocket science. Speedway in the UK has spent far to long with promoters looking after own interest, look around at the dropping crowds and the notable absentees are the younger generation. When Sky 1st got involved the BSPA missed a massive opportunity of reaching the newer younger speedway fan. They should of worked together for the future of Speedway in the UK and used Sky as a massive advertising tool to attract new fans and old fans back to British speedway. The standard at Belle Vue has not dropped it's increased tenfold, but the younger generation are still not there. They are the future of British speedway, if we keep missing them of the radar, then this long sloping road we are on will soon bottom out and Speedway with it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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