MattK Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 hours ago, mikebv said: What difference does it really make if it saves a club? Here's one of your comments from another thread: British Speedway, once again, making the usual, short sighted, half arsed, not fit for purpose, make do and mend, make the best of a bad job, bodge it and scarper, lets try and please everyone except the fans, mickey mouse, make it up as we go along, tail wagging the dog, etc etc decision.... I can't believe so many people complain about how the tail to wags the dog, yet they seem to be proposing this as a solution. Therefore the tail wags the dog. Again. What you are proposing is exactly what you accuse the BSPA of doing. Short term, tactical fixes with no long term strategic views. If Rye House is allowed to revert to Saturday, why can't Belle Vue go back to Friday? Is it only clubs who throw their toys out of their prams who get their own way? Coupled with the knock-on effect as others have pointed out that teams visiting Rye House on a Saturday will be missing riders who they signed in good faith based on agreed fixed race nights. The other issue is that the above approach merely kicks the can down the road until next season. People seem to have short memories, as they clearly don't remember last season and teams turning out with three guests and R/R due to the endless clashes, which was the main driver for fixed race nights in the first place. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ghosty said: I will second that, hope that they can finish their premier season.... STOP paying silly rider guarantees would be a good start... If it means they run Saturdays, I can't see a problem - but careful planning of the rearranged fixtures would be paramount. Fingers crossed. That ultra careful fixture planning needs to include the use of track covers to save meetings whenever possible. The number of usable dates will quickly diminish with rain-offs. PPPPPP. If in fact such a move to their preferred race night proves possible. And as MattK says Why then can't other teams? Edited June 30, 2018 by waytogo28 additional point made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Asa Cummin bor, blas that is - as we say in deepest, sunniest Norfolk . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 19 hours ago, uk_martin said: Ah-haa...Rye House should carry on hemorrhaging money, just for Belle Vue's benefit? Maybe the rest of the league, or even the sport in general should subsidise Belle Vue's advantage? Sorry you misunderstood my post, I have no wish for any club to fold and every effort should be made to help such clubs, especially as bad decisions and rule tinkering by the BSPA are mostly to blame, however the present season will still carry on, and you know full well that all supporters on here and those who don't come on here still want there club to finish in the top 4 then hopefully carry on to win the P/Off's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Pinny said: More like you think an issue like that should be swept under the carpet. Clown. Its disturbing and serious. People have every right to know about it , if it means they take extra care protecting their children against such creatures. Or was he a friend, thats why your getting so uptight? innocent people have been accused of disturbing and serious crimes,then spent the rest of their lives hiding for fear of retaliation. Anonymity should be paramount until guilt is proven. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, hyderd said: innocent people have been accused of disturbing and serious crimes,then spent the rest of their lives hiding for fear of retaliation. Anonymity should be paramount until guilt is proven. Strange that it is Rob Mc who on one thread was asking if someone could pm him the name and has now on here named the person a couple of times now he has found out who it is.Surely his posts should be deleted and he sits out a ban for putting that on this forum? just saying 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenzilF Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 8 hours ago, noaksey said: More news on Tuesday I heard today. Let's hope it's good news for Rye Where did you hear that fella? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 20 hours ago, Aroundtheboards said: FRN have never been a good idea, anybody with half an idea about finances and figures would know that by having FRN's you cut down your potential foot fall through turnstiles as you don't get the floating fans that will pull in a couple or more Premiership meetings a week but now have to be content with only one ! Whilst on the face of it that would appear correct. But except Kent (mondays) and Brum (Wednesdays) none of the CL or NL meetings are on the same night so their floating fans can pick any top flight match they fancy under the FRN arrangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Not sure the answer to the Rye scenario for the rest of 2018. But I think for the longer term future of British Speedway fixed race nights in the top league is essential. We can't expect to get much assistance from international federations if we sign up to an agreed calender then just choose to run on other countries nights. With around 50 percent of Saturday nights taken up with fim or one sport championships and qualifiers, and the rest Poland have priority on so it's just no viable to have Saturday speedway in the UK if we are to run a "top" level league. I also think that with mid season drop outs not so uncommon there should be some sort of fund at governing body level that would ensure financially crippled clubs could furfill their fixtures. Meaning riders don't get made unemployed mid season, the league table won't be warped, and most importantly any attempts to save the clubs future would have half a season of an active team to get backing for, rather then trying to resurrect a dormant club. Think the BSPA needs to call an emergency meeting to discuss 2019 now, and get plans finalised. As I see it there are 2 options. 1) continue to try to run an 'elite league' with as many top stars as we can attract. 2) or complete reform and go to one big league split north/south, top 3 or so from both divisions meet in a mini league to decide champions. With a smaller conference style league below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: I recognise that accent!!! I spent many years and countless hours of diction training plus living in other parts of both the UK and the Far East to eradicate my childhood accent. As my memory slips my accent oddly doesn't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, teaboy279 said: 1) continue to try to run an 'elite league' with as many top stars as we can attract. 2) or complete reform and go to one big league split north/south, top 3 or so from both divisions meet in a mini league to decide champions. With a smaller conference style league below. Please do not proceed with No.1 because big-name stars have proved not to attract UK fans. Big name stars are unknown to the general public here and are therefore not a draw to any possible new fans. No.2 A Big Thumbs Up to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 minute ago, waytogo28 said: Please do not proceed with No.1 because big-name stars have proved not to attract UK fans. Big name stars are unknown to the general public here and are therefore not a draw to any possible new fans. No.2 A Big Thumbs Up to. What evidence do you have to back up that claim? The one indisputable fact is that as the top name riders have drifted away from British speedway, so have the fans. Now, you can claim this is merely correlation and does not prove causation, however as I have previously stated crowds at Swindon dropped markedly in the season after Leigh Adams' retirement, so I am tempted to draw the conclusion that the loss of big names is one of the direct causes of declining crowds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 22 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: I recognise that accent!!! My heart alive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, MattK said: Here's one of your comments from another thread: I can't believe so many people complain about how the tail to wags the dog, yet they seem to be proposing this as a solution. Therefore the tail wags the dog. Again. What you are proposing is exactly what you accuse the BSPA of doing. Short term, tactical fixes with no long term strategic views. If Rye House is allowed to revert to Saturday, why can't Belle Vue go back to Friday? Is it only clubs who throw their toys out of their prams who get their own way? Coupled with the knock-on effect as others have pointed out that teams visiting Rye House on a Saturday will be missing riders who they signed in good faith based on agreed fixed race nights. The other issue is that the above approach merely kicks the can down the road until next season. People seem to have short memories, as they clearly don't remember last season and teams turning out with three guests and R/R due to the endless clashes, which was the main driver for fixed race nights in the first place. The sport is knackered... By allowing Wednesday night racing they effectively went down the 'half arsed' road.. Allowing Saturday night racing just extends the road a little bit more.. The hole they have dug is huge.. Someone needs to temporarily fill it in a bit to help someone climb out and get saved.. And if Belle Vue want to ride Friday let them. You will have more attending a 'guestfest' on that night than will attend two full teams on a Monday.. Having 'some matches' guest free rather than 'lots of matches' with guests is not really an improvement that anyone should measure as a success.. You cannot be 'a little bit pregnant' nor can you run a Professional Sport with 'a little bit of credibilty'... It's all or nothing... There really is no point in losing a club just to follow an inherently flawed, unfit for purpose Operating Model.. Time to do what they can to get everyone to the end of the season and start again with a better plan next year.. Edited June 30, 2018 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, MattK said: What evidence do you have to back up that claim? The one indisputable fact is that as the top name riders have drifted away from British speedway, so have the fans. Now, you can claim this is merely correlation and does not prove causation, however as I have previously stated crowds at Swindon dropped markedly in the season after Leigh Adams' retirement, so I am tempted to draw the conclusion that the loss of big names is one of the direct causes of declining crowds. Adams, Crump, rickardsson & Gollob were big names. Who of today's riders can pull in the crowds these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 10 hours ago, noaksey said: More news on Tuesday I heard today. Let's hope it's good news for Rye MORE news ? We’ve had NO news as of now, how can we have more when we’ve had none Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, cityrebel said: Adams, Crump, rickardsson & Gollob were big names. Who of today's riders can pull in the crowds these days. No one. Because we have very few big names left in British speedway. Hence one of the reasons crowds are declining. Which is my point. Therefore, Way2Go's claim that "big-name stars have proved not to attract UK fans" is not supported by any evidence. In fact the evidence points to the opposite. There were more big names 10 years ago and they attracted bigger crowds to British league racing. Of course, it is mere speculation that attracting big names back to British speedway would translate into bigger crowds today, but we cannot say it wouldn't happen as we simply don't know. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Richard Weston said: Rain? What is this rain you speak of? That's jinksed the rest of summer! Oh don't worry, but will start raining as soon as the schools break up for Summer hols anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, MattK said: No one. Because we have very few big names left in British speedway. Hence one of the reasons crowds are declining. Which is my point. Therefore, Way2Go's claim that "big-name stars have proved not to attract UK fans" is not supported by any evidence. In fact the evidence points to the opposite. There were more big names 10 years ago and they attracted bigger crowds to British league racing. Of course, it is mere speculation that attracting big names back to British speedway would translate into bigger crowds today, but we cannot say it wouldn't happen as we simply don't know. We have very few names in world speedway to compete with those four. The likes of woffinden might pull a few in, but the days of the speedway superstars are over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MattK said: What evidence do you have to back up that claim? The one indisputable fact is that as the top name riders have drifted away from British speedway, so have the fans. Now, you can claim this is merely correlation and does not prove causation, however as I have previously stated crowds at Swindon dropped markedly in the season after Leigh Adams' retirement, so I am tempted to draw the conclusion that the loss of big names is one of the direct causes of declining crowds. 27 minutes ago, cityrebel said: Of course, it is mere speculation that attracting big names back to British speedway would translate into bigger crowds today, but we cannot say it wouldn't happen as we simply don't know. We simply don't know, as you yourself say. My original point is that for many years the Sky TV cash went on the No'.1s and they failed to hold the crowds, never mind bringing in new ones. When the crowds at Swindon dipped the season after LA's retirement, did they not climb back up to a respectable level? Of course, it really is speculation that attracting big names back to British speedway would bring bigger crowds but it also represents a huge gamble that no-one in UK speedway is prepared to take. Or even has the cash to try. At King's Lynn much of that money went to NKI who is now back in the side but the missing 750+ plus fans are not there now. Edited June 30, 2018 by waytogo28 additional point made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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