heathen chemistry Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 from the moment frn were voted in i could see the damage it would do , fans are used to there race nights, the atmosphere is different on another night , people have plans on other nights its ridiculous now to think the bspa even put this on the table ....just to appease some riders ....... imo we should go back to fri and sat race nights ignore the gp riders , start from the bottom and work up , if we can one day get the money back into british speedway the top riders will all come back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 52 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: ONE league (combined PL/CL) momentum is gathering strength ... no 'star' names which to many will be viewed as a watered down product. It is a watered down product with out doubt but we are fast approaching the realms of watered down one big league one option or we carry on as we are and many tracks will go out of business so the choice is watered down to one big league with hopefully all clubs surviving or we carry on and see many closures ? I’d like to think it would be two steps back 5 steps forward over the next few years speedway in the UK is living beyond its means and it’s time to realise this before it’s too late 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 problem lies with some bspa promoters ....they tend to think short term ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Thats what i heard to. They asked to run saturday but BSPA refused. Why refuse. We need to keep the clubs going. And whatever people thought of the guests and R/R crowds were much larger cos they rode on there preferred race night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry The Goat Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Tosh1218 said: Moving forward Speedway has lost its identity with the set race nights also due to lack of fixtures . People like continuity and were some clubs ride at home one week and there next home fixture is in 3 weeks is not good enough,people especially families will find something else to do . I think the lack of regular fixtures is HUGELY important. Currently, each Premiership team has around 15 home meetings scheduled each season (+ two or three more if you happen to make the playoffs or KOC). It's no surprise, therefore, that riders want/need to double up/down. And no surprise that fans give up when there's nothing regular any more, no weekly habit to get into. I mean, if you've got a shop, but you only open for one night every two or three weeks from April to September, can you really expect to stand a chance of making much money? Forty years ago you'd have 35 home meetings a year, 21 heats each meeting (13 for the match + 8 second half), meaning a dedicated fan could see 735 races a year at their local track. Nowadays with 15 home meetings and 15 heats per meeting, that's a total of only 225 races a year. Massive difference. In terms of giving speedway fans what they want, surely at the top of the list is the opportunity to regularly see some actual racing? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: Thats what i heard to. They asked to run saturday but BSPA refused. Why refuse. We need to keep the clubs going. And whatever people thought of the guests and R/R crowds were much larger cos they rode on there preferred race night Good last point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Can't see why there should be a problem with allowing Rye House to finish the season with meetings on Saturday's if that is what's required to keep them going. Only Berwick race regularly then in the Championship and there are very few GP riders here so it shouldn't be hard to schedule the remaining fixtures so that full teams are riding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 The only thing is that if they let rye house do it then what's stopping belle vue and the like asking for Friday's back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said: ONE league (combined PL/CL) momentum is gathering strength ... no 'star' names which to many will be viewed as a watered down product. Agree and the league could be just as good and a feeder for European leagues for any rider that wants to join them but GB would have to come first. Cut the costs and the entry prices and the fans may come back. The biggest issue is how do you stop the likes of the bspa continually screwing the sport up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: The only thing is that if they let rye house do it then what's stopping belle vue and the like asking for Friday's back Also it has a knock on effect to a visiting team if visiting riders are unavailable on a Saturday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, racers and royals said: Yes and poor old Bill Barker had it all stolen from his house didn’t he !! Yes he did, poor Bloke... There are a lot of crocks about . I seem to recall the event where cash was taking from the Boot of a car at Lynn, Involved Cyril Cranes car. I hope the poor guy was insured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 ryes inept management never thought about the racenight change, they cant have unless they did it too appease a few other promoters to get the bt deal, its left em completely in the khazi whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Haza said: Also it has a knock on effect to a visiting team if visiting riders are unavailable on a Saturday. Agree but if the visiting team is happy to ride on a Saturday, let them carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 We'll get into a situation where Rye House moves to a Saturday but the away clubs refuse to reschedule the fixtures. Same if Belle Vue go Friday's, clubs will refuse to move their original dates. With Denmark, Poland and SEC, GP practice running Friday's, Poland, SEC, SGP Saturday's a change to the calendar now is pretty much a no go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 50 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: Thats what i heard to. They asked to run saturday but BSPA refused. Why refuse. We need to keep the clubs going. And whatever people thought of the guests and R/R crowds were much larger cos they rode on there preferred race night They let Swindon stay on Thursdays, so I don't see what the problem is. If belle vue wanted to go back to Friday's, would they let the aces fold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 21 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: Agree and the league could be just as good and a feeder for European leagues for any rider that wants to join them but GB would have to come first. Cut the costs and the entry prices and the fans may come back. The biggest issue is how do you stop the likes of the bspa continually screwing the sport up. You only need to look at the current Lakeside team to prove what can be done. They have a decent couple of H/L in Morris and Lawson - good middle order riders such as young Ellis and not so young but not old Newman - Good lower order in young Zach - Good N/L rider with experience in Morley and and a young improving N/L rider who didnt come into the sport so young in Bowtell who is improving with racing. Its the kind of thing I have been advocating taking combining both leagues into one, and then combining the riders from Prem/Champ and N/L. This way we get to see the best of all 3 Worlds. Can't believe that those with a willing to do it can't come up with something to make it work, otherwise i fear for our Sport at top level. Lakeside from a media perspective have also shown how it can be done as get daily twitter reports as well as race clips etc daily to keep all in the loop. They also do plenty for young fans which is also well recorded and shown. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 No air fares for lakeside to find as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, cityrebel said: They let Swindon stay on Thursdays, so I don't see what the problem is. If belle vue wanted to go back to Friday's, would they let the aces fold. Thursday was the original fixed night agreed with the FIM. It was only changed to Wednesday because of some Championship club failing to agree. They should have stuck to their guns & forced it through. By switching to the Wednesday night, t has caused problems for any club that has Danish riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) Ooops Edited June 28, 2018 by semion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, cityrebel said: No air fares for lakeside to find as well How did Morris get to the UK...Swim ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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