PHILIPRISING Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 43 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: And may I add it's not a £10 sport and won't ever will be till riders drop there demands. It should be £13-15 sport THE only way riders will drop their "demands" is if the sport is made cheaper for them to compete in. And that is certainly possible, at least as far as league racing is concerned. If some of the rumours about the guaranteed money Rye House offered its riders are even remotely true then it is no surprise that the speedway is not viable at Hoddesdon. And they are not the only ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, Pinny said: Belle Vue will be ruined by spending so much on a stadium that wont ever pay itself off. People praise the people who built it but whos money did they use?? the sport is sadly on its anus in UK, cant see any way out of it unfortunately. Manchester City Council (MCC) were and still are supportive of the project. They in turn used revenue from the sale of land to Manchester City FC for their training complex. Hopefully a joint venture between MCC and the current promoters, boosted by the staging of major events at the NSS, will help to ensure its future but, of course, there are no guarantees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbiter Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 37 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: They wont be the only club behind in payments. Many more are to. Belle vue have history of not paying riders. (Ex promotion may I add) At least workington had the gonads to go in the press with there money worries and not paying riders. It stops rumours. But when has a promotion or BSPA ever told the truth. They are not about to start now That I have respect for at least everything is out in the open and stops speculation. Yeah I have heard all about other clubs owing money to riders and think its a bloody disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: THE only way riders will drop their "demands" is if the sport is made cheaper for them to compete in. And that is certainly possible, at least as far as league racing is concerned. If some of the rumours about the guaranteed money Rye House offered its riders are even remotely true then it is no surprise that the speedway is not viable at Hoddesdon. And they are not the only ones. I can see the Premiership is on the vrege of collapse- if BT stick with the minimum 8 team league and Rye do pull the plug will BT pull out of the TV deal -then what will happen to the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, Pinny said: Belle Vue will be ruined by spending so much on a stadium that wont ever pay itself off. People praise the people who built it but whos money did they use?? the sport is sadly on its anus in UK, cant see any way out of it unfortunately. It was Manchester City Council that stumped up the money to build the stadium and for multiple use (so ratepayers money was used). That's why BV speedway had no control over the contractors when the mess on the 3rd and 4th turn happened. BV pay rent for the speedway. If I not correct some one more in the know will put me right, no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 34 minutes ago, semion said: So many doors where blame can be laid. Go back to the 70's where Speedway was being played out in krap hole stadiums to big crowds every night of the week, plus Sundays. Where did all that cash go ? Certainly wasn't invested into the future of British Speedway. No foresight then, more lets line our own pockets and "$%^ the future. Feel Sorry for the fans of Rye, but if it wasn't Rye it would have been another Club. The whole thing could now implode. Maybe that's what needs to happen, THE story goes that the only reason one promoter in the 70s had a Rolls Royce was because it was the only car with a boot big enough to stuff all the cash he was taking on race nights at the stadium, which he only rented. No investment there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Haza said: I can see the Premiership is on the vrege of collapse- if BT stick with the minimum 8 team league and Rye do pull the plug will BT pull out of the TV deal -then what will happen to the league. ONE league (combined PL/CL) momentum is gathering strength ... no 'star' names which to many will be viewed as a watered down product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Talking of car boots and cash, I well remember that happening at Kings Lynn back in the day. You just couldn't write it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Phil, as you appear to be all over this story. I guess we can expect a few pages devoted to it next Thursday ? Be good to hear from all sides. Riders, Fans, promotion and of course the BSPA. Just hope its a warts an all piece rather than a sugar coated, watered down version. Lets get in out in the open so the fans ( readers) can see the true state of British Speedway. That's the challenge Phillip, are you up for it ? Should boast the readership ( well for one week anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I wonder if there are some backdoor negotiations going on as the BSPA or Rye House have made no formal acknowledgement. I have no inside information but even for the BSPA I am surprised we have not had the normal statement "it is with regret that Rye House have withdrawn/suspended from the Premiership" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppetman Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 A change of name from 'speedway' wouldn't do any harm. The majority of people who even understand the word put it in a similar category to cock fighting. This, by the way, is utter tosh: "Numbers drawn out of a hat for who rides what bike before the start of a race with team selections made after practice." Riders give up the ghost half the time when they're on a bike that suits them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, semion said: Talking of car boots and cash, I well remember that happening at Kings Lynn back in the day. You just couldn't write it. Yes and poor old Bill Barker had it all stolen from his house didn’t he !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertsRacer Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rayleigh said: I wonder if there are some backdoor negotiations going on as the BSPA or Rye House have made no formal acknowledgement. I have no inside information but even for the BSPA I am surprised we have not had the normal statement "it is with regret that Rye House have withdrawn/suspended from the Premiership" The fact that Rye House have pulled the plug is so far based on rumour. If true, and it may well be that they have approached the BSPA with their intention , I suspect there are ongoing moves behind the scenes to come up with a rescue package that will at least enable them to finish the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, semion said: Phil, as you appear to be all over this story. I guess we can expect a few pages devoted to it next Thursday ? Speedway Star and hard hitting investigative journalism??? Are you kidding? You may see something, if there's a BSPA press release that can be copied and pasted, but so far, not even the BSPA's web site is acknowleging a situation at Rye House even exists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces High Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 10 hours ago, tigerjak said: With regards to the way forward I cannot understand why UK speedway has not gone down a conference style system like the NFL I posted earlier in this thread somewhere how you could setup a conference system similar to how the NFL is based and it would totally work. I also like the idea suggested of having club owned bikes. With the setups that riders have and the amount of travelling they do I can't figure out how they are making money, especially if they have bikes in both the UK and on the continent. I am not a huge fan of a level playing field in other forms of Motorsport but it would totally work in speedway - averages would mean something as we would really know who the best riders were. The only problem is that the initial investment to set this up would probably stop this ever happening and it would be difficult to stop teams getting an advantage and making it best equipment wins. That would require a level of scrutiny that we know that the BSPA would not be capable of overseeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER180 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 as all is so quiet then all I can think unless ryes promotion are that dense it must be some sort of legal matter again and nothing can be said untill the old fart behind the courts says so. heard some unsavoury rumours but as everything on here it is a rumour. hope all sorted soon as if I was a rye season ticket holder I would be spitting feathers by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertsRacer Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Aces High said: I posted earlier in this thread somewhere how you could setup a conference system similar to how the NFL is based and it would totally work. I also like the idea suggested of having club owned bikes. With the setups that riders have and the amount of travelling they do I can't figure out how they are making money, especially if they have bikes in both the UK and on the continent. I am not a huge fan of a level playing field in other forms of Motorsport but it would totally work in speedway - averages would mean something as we would really know who the best riders were. The only problem is that the initial investment to set this up would probably stop this ever happening and it would be difficult to stop teams getting an advantage and making it best equipment wins. That would require a level of scrutiny that we know that the BSPA would not be capable of overseeing. Totally agree with you re conference system. It always amazes me how the regular baseball season consists of 162 games, and there is still interest as to reaching the play-offs right up to the last game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 26 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Yes and poor old Bill Barker had it all stolen from his house didn’t he !! Course he did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 21 minutes ago, Aces High said: I posted earlier in this thread somewhere how you could setup a conference system similar to how the NFL is based and it would totally work. I also like the idea suggested of having club owned bikes. With the setups that riders have and the amount of travelling they do I can't figure out how they are making money, especially if they have bikes in both the UK and on the continent. I am not a huge fan of a level playing field in other forms of Motorsport but it would totally work in speedway - averages would mean something as we would really know who the best riders were. The only problem is that the initial investment to set this up would probably stop this ever happening and it would be difficult to stop teams getting an advantage and making it best equipment wins. That would require a level of scrutiny that we know that the BSPA would not be capable of overseeing. I wondered about teams signing anyone that they like/can afford and a handicap given, so team A has a current average of 45 and team B has an average of 35, so team B get ten points start. No tac subs and no guests, you could use an NL rider for someone missing and your average would be adjusted accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 From a highly reliable source at Poole last night Rye House are 'on the brink' but the last thing the BSPA want is to lose a club. However they want Rye to see out their remaining 2018 fixtures but refuse to let them run on a Saturday. Any ongoing 'stand-off' may well favour Rye's attempts to switch to Saturday for home meetings as the longer the impasse goes on the fewer Mons/Weds will be available Also the riders are not prepared to ride more races without some payment (or guarantee of payment from someone they trust?!). The BSPA will not fund that!! Sad times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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