Rye House 2018

[Mattfordfan]

1 minute ago, RobMcCaffery said:

my track could be dying.

P i s s off, sicko.

Not my fault is it.

I have already said earlier that I hope the rumours are false. I don't want Rye or any other club to close.

No point in taking your anger out on me because the situation has nothing to do with me.

I can reply to Shovlar's accusation if I feel like I need to. After all this is a forum where members discuss things with each other.

 

[Bryce]

Much as I hate to say it, the silence from both the club and the BSPA is rather ominous. If it was a simple one off issue with the track or stadium, then surely that would have been stated to stop all the doom and gloom speculation.  I've attended all but 2 of the fixtures at Rye this season and there has been a noticeable drop off in the size of the crowds. I do believe a lack of fixture continuity and racing on fixed nights have impacted negatively on attendances. We'll never be told the financial details, but it seems very plausible that the club is making a loss every time it runs a speedway meeting. That can only go on for so long before the plug is pulled.

I hope I'm wrong, I really do. We've lost too many clubs.

[ReadingRacer2017]

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, it’s a £10 sport. 

A family of 4 at Swindon would have to pay £44 and let’s say £6 on 2 programmes. £50!!!!!! and that’s before food and drink. 

[Col]

I can only hope something can be arranged so Rye House can complete their fixtures in 2018 on an evening when their fan base will be present.

[chunky]

I still don't understand all the "experts" on here who claim to have THE solution to British speedway's problems.  There is no SINGLE cause, and there is no SINGLE solution.

As far as fans wanting a fixed race night - which again, they wanted largely because it suited THEM - I was always against the idea.  My main concerns were that :

1) The lost revenue because of the large number of fans who travelled as neutrals to meetings several times a week.
2) Because of the majority of clubs not owning their own stadium, it was always going to be difficult for some to fall in line.
3) The switch from being a weekend track to a midweek one was ALWAYS going to be a financial disaster for certain clubs.

Again, the post above suggesting that speedway is a "£10 sport" is way off the mark.  I - and others - have repeatedly stated that, while the cost MAY be prohibitive for some (particularly those with families), that is a relatively minor issue.  The REAL issue here is the quality of product, and yes, that does include the value for money.  The thing to remember is that IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW CHEAP A PRODUCT IS, IF THE PRODUCT ISN'T GOOD PEOPLE WON'T GO!.  The comments posted on other threads reiterate the facts about tracks opening the season with a meeting free of charge; very few - if any - new fans would return the following week, EVEN IF IT WAS FREE.

It hurts me to see Rye folding, as it was one of those tracks I would often visit as a neutral.  As has been mentioned, moving away from Sunday was never going to solve anything.

As was said elsewhere, speedway doesn't seem to catch the imagination of the British public these days, and nobody seems to be able to come up with a solution for that.  Don't worry, I have no idea either...

The thing is, everybody wants to blame everybody else, but then, lack of accountability is commonplace these days.  Of course, the authorities have a lot to answer for, and the promoters themselves must shoulder a lot of the blame.  Not that I have any personal knowledge, but to see that so many promoters seem to think "everything is rosy" is astounding.  I do feel for them as most are gambling with their own money, but that should be more incentive for them to get their houses in order.

The riders too could help.  Yes, they DO deserve good pay, but I am tired of hearing how they "put their lives on the line for OUR benefit".  It is their chosen job, and I understand why they ride abroad to make more money, and NOBODY should criticise them for wanting to do the best for themselves and their families.  However, as is frequently stated, it seems like every rider - however mediocre - seems to believe that they have the "right" to be a full-time speedway rider.  If the money is physically not there, then don't expect to get everything you want!  If you need to get another job, oh well...

Now, the fans...  Yes, the fans believe they know everything, but it is incredible how many THINK that they have a solution, yet don't even consider the practicality and viability of their ideas.  In many cases, they don't look at the big picture, just what suits THEM, or THEIR TEAM.  Sometimes - a lot of the time, actually - a seemingly nonsensical idea is dismissed when the reality is that discussion of the basic idea can actually be fruitful.

I am heavily involved in sports administration, and I am used to hearing crazy stuff that the so-called experts demand.  However, I study the overall concept, and see if it can actually be modified in order to improve matters.  The problem with British speedway is that nobody - fans, riders, or authorities - are willing to engage in sensible discussion.  Everything - as is often seen on the BSF - just descends into totally useless dismissal, accusations and name-calling.

I love the sport, and I hate to see what is happening...

Steve

[Catalan]

What a great post Steve 

Have to agree wholeheartedly. 

[Whisperer]

Extract from Chunk'y post;

"Now, the fans...  Yes, the fans believe they know everything, but it is incredible how many THINK that they have a solution, yet don't even consider the practicality and viability of their ideas.  In many cases, they don't look at the big picture, just what suits THEM, or THEIR TEAM.  Sometimes - a lot of the time, actually - a seemingly nonsensical idea is dismissed when the reality is that discussion of the basic idea can actually be fruitful"

This para identifies where many Promoters come from, the terraces.  They jump into shark infested waters and get hacked to pieces, when it comes to logic and voting at the BSPA self interest rules regardless of the price some clubs may pay. Win at all costs has never been more prevalent and has ruined opportunities to put together a survival strategy for the sport so anyone who is fresh into Promoting Speedway with half an idea gets buried before they open their mouth. Just ask JC, not everyone's cup of tea but some great ideas totally rejected because of who he was not because they were unworkable and he wasn't the only one tossed aside by the members.

[waytogo28]

10 hours ago, jchapman said:

I feared a few clubs would hit the wall this season after seeing the outcome of the AGM.

When I was in 'the club' I was always amazed at the amount of ideas coming from promoters which increased costs and when ever I had an idea that increased revenue they would turn their nose up.

Seems the boat has now sailed and nothing but a complete reset will fix the mess the sport is now in. 

When the whole lot collapses I may put a plan together for a few clubs to break away and start a new league based around British riders on club supplied equipment with standard engines.

Numbers drawn out of a hat for who rides what bike before the start of a race with team selections made after practice.

From there the sport can grow again.

Got to be the ONLY way to a brighter UK speedway future. If JC can get some financial backing, this could be the blueprint for the continued existence of speedway here on a viable footing.

[Tosh1218]

I have visited Rye House 3 times this year as a neutral supporter here are my findings

1- everyone is friendly and welcoming 

2- everyone welcome in the pits to a certain time

3-not bad Facilties 

4- racing at times is first from the traps wins

5- very long drawn out meetings with me paying my money and seeing tractors for longer on the track , rather than 4 bikes 

6 - crowds no bigger then my local track Scunthorpe but I’m sure with a lot more expenses to be paid out

 

Moving forward Speedway has lost its identity with the set race nights also due to  lack of fixtures . People like continuity and were some clubs ride at home one week and there next home fixture is in 3 weeks is not good enough,people especially families will find something else to do .

Why if the tv company wants to show live speedway is the clubs not getting compensated for loss of revenue 

In a sport when I hear from riders and promoters costs are spiralling, let’s do something about this and bring in a semi standard machine etc , supporters prefer to see good close races were skill and team riding comes in to play rather than a gater winning by over half a lap

Im just a supporter I don’t know the costs etc and the full facts but what I do know the product we have now is not working. So please the BSPA at the next meeting look after the best interests of British Speedway for the future of our sport in our country . If we lose some riders so be it and also the deal and rule changes what are needed to save our sport have to be in the best interests of all clubs and not the selective few 

Rant over and one last comment I hope Rye House can be saved and are back racing soon

[semion]

Every Year, We seem to have a new reason for the demise of Speedway.  This year its FRN.  Sometimes it is worth standing back from the Sport and looking at it from the outside.   This is 2018,  Speedway in its present form in the UK has long had its day.   You can only paper over cracks for so long.

Maybe People should look very closely at Poland.  Why do the Poles flock to Speedway  and the British treat the Sport with distain ?

 

 

 

[ch958]

5 minutes ago, semion said:

Every Year, We seem to have a new reason for the demise of Speedway.  This year its FRN.  Sometimes it is worth standing back from the Sport and looking at it from the outside.   This is 2018,  Speedway in its present form in the UK has long had its day.   You can only paper over cracks for so long.

Maybe People should look very closely at Poland.  Why do the Poles flock to Speedway  and the British treat the Sport with distain ?

 

 

 

Different people to us, the crowds came before the stadiums and the stars, but they have capitalised on their situation. Government money? Allsorts

[semion]

I get all of that CH, but it is all about the experience.  You look at their stadiums, they are fit for purposes.  You look at our so called Stadiums.  Rag bag run down krap holes.    People today demand better. 

[tigerjak]

There has been mention there are no rumours of riders not being paid, may not be rumours but think that is mainy cos everyone at this stage is saying nothing that will make the situation worse, would not be surprised if the situation is not resolved favourably then we might find that riders are owed money.

[PHILIPRISING]

22 minutes ago, semion said:

Every Year, We seem to have a new reason for the demise of Speedway.  This year its FRN.  Sometimes it is worth standing back from the Sport and looking at it from the outside.   This is 2018,  Speedway in its present form in the UK has long had its day.   You can only paper over cracks for so long.

Maybe People should look very closely at Poland.  Why do the Poles flock to Speedway  and the British treat the Sport with distain ?

 

 

 

ONE of the major factors why speedway is so popular in certain areas of Poland, certainly not all, is that the big clubs are in towns where speedway is the major attraction, an integral part of the community, clubs (as in soccer) rather than just businesses. It is high profile in the media, raced on big, fast tracks, good and in some cases fantastic stadiums, the top riders, weekend racing, etc, etc.

[Phil The Ace]

9 hours ago, Argos said:

It’s odd that there’s been no rumours that Rye riders have not been payed 

They haven't been paid apparently. I've heard this a few times throughout season. 

 

FRN have ruined the likes of rye house and belle vue. Weekdays just don't work for us. 

 

You can't have FRN and then just weaken the league. Was never going to work. Ridiculous and I hope the BSPA are ashamed of themselves. To many people against each other rather than helping each other 

Edited June 28, 2018 by Phil The Ace

[Phil The Ace]

And may I add it's not a £10 sport and won't ever will be till riders drop there demands. 

 

It should be £13-15 sport

[Orbiter]

9 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said:

They haven't been paid apparently. I've heard this a few times throughout season. 

 

FRN have ruined the likes of the house and belle vue. Weekdays just don't work for us. 

 

You can't have FRN and then just weaken the league. Was never going to work. Ridiculous and I hope the BSPA are ashamed of themselves. To many people against each other rather than helping each other 

See that is where my respect for the club goes out the window, if they know there in the poo pay the riders and fold the club don't leave it till you have no choice but to fold and not pay the riders.

[Phil The Ace]

4 minutes ago, Orbiter said:

See that is where my respect for the club goes out the window, if they know there in the poo pay the riders and fold the club don't leave it till you have no choice but to fold and not pay the riders.

They wont be the only club behind in payments. Many more are to. Belle vue have history of not paying riders. (Ex promotion may I add)

 

At least workington had the gonads to go in the press with there money worries and not paying riders. It stops rumours. 

 

But when has a promotion or BSPA ever told the truth. They are not about to start now 

[semion]

So many doors where blame can be laid.

Go back to the 70's where Speedway was being played out in krap hole stadiums to big crowds every night of the week, plus Sundays.  Where did all that cash go ?  Certainly wasn't invested into the future of British Speedway.   No foresight then, more lets line our own pockets and "$%^ the future.  

 

Feel Sorry for the fans of Rye, but if it wasn't Rye it would have been another Club.  The whole thing could now implode.   Maybe that's what needs to happen,

 

[Pinny]

33 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said:

They haven't been paid apparently. I've heard this a few times throughout season. 

 

FRN have ruined the likes of rye house and belle vue. Weekdays just don't work for us. 

 

You can't have FRN and then just weaken the league. Was never going to work. Ridiculous and I hope the BSPA are ashamed of themselves. To many people against each other rather than helping each other 

Belle Vue will be ruined by spending so much on a stadium that wont ever pay itself off. People praise the people who built it but whos money did they use??

the sport is sadly on its anus in  UK, cant see any way out of it unfortunately.