Chairboy Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 RH haven't made the figure up themselves - it's on the Final Version of the 2017 Greensheet Averages. It's on the SGB website now, as it has been for some time. Aren't these the figures we are supposed to use? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted February 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, White City Rebel said: RH haven't made the figure up themselves - it's on the Final Version of the 2017 Greensheet Averages. It's on the SGB website now, as it has been for some time. Aren't these the figures we are supposed to use? But was that not also the case for Lakeside? Then they were told it was wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitykat Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) Don't think that was the case at all. Lakeside got 2 other riders averages wrong, which meant they had to release a rider, that rider being Clegg. Edited February 10, 2018 by Kitykat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Starman2006 said: So what should his average be, in your opinion ? His average was 4.23 when he got sacked by Wolves. He had ridden 4 meetings. Which wasn't enough for a new average. No idea where this 2.00 has been plucked from but it's clearly a wrong average. Either way he already has a Premiership average from 2017. Edited February 10, 2018 by stevebrum added information 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miadfa8 Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 2017 Regulations extract: 16.2.4 The BSPA are responsible for the calculation, production and circulation of Rider’s MA’s 16.2.5 At the end of each Season the BSPA will produce a Listing of all riders who have competed in British Speedway during that season and following approval and/or amendment at the BSPA AGM’s these MA’s (i.e. excluding Bonus Points but including other allowances) will be the Riders MA for the start of the following Season. 16.2.6 These MA’s will remain effective for Team Building, Team Positioning, Facilities, rider eligibility for Heat 15 etc. until new MA’s becomes effective. BSPA conference 18 - 20 November 2017. Final averages issued 22 November 2017. Max Clegg issued with a 2.00 point average. Max Clegg rode 2 home and 2 away for Wolves at an average of 1.75. So who is right and who is wrong on this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, miadfa8 said: 2017 Regulations extract: 16.2.4 The BSPA are responsible for the calculation, production and circulation of Rider’s MA’s 16.2.5 At the end of each Season the BSPA will produce a Listing of all riders who have competed in British Speedway during that season and following approval and/or amendment at the BSPA AGM’s these MA’s (i.e. excluding Bonus Points but including other allowances) will be the Riders MA for the start of the following Season. 16.2.6 These MA’s will remain effective for Team Building, Team Positioning, Facilities, rider eligibility for Heat 15 etc. until new MA’s becomes effective. BSPA conference 18 - 20 November 2017. Final averages issued 22 November 2017. Max Clegg issued with a 2.00 point average. Max Clegg rode 2 home and 2 away for Wolves at an average of 1.75. So who is right and who is wrong on this one? The final average issued is a false one. Since when do 2 home and 2 away matches count?? Unless it's another made up rule 'in the best interest of speedway'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppetman Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 I think you're all overlooking the fact that Clegg's dad once fitted a kitchen for Erik Gundersen and his great aunt has got Jack Parker's autograph thus giving him a two point average. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairboy Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 18 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Not ratified yet..... Genuine question - How/when do we find out that a team has been ratified (or not)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 50 minutes ago, White City Rebel said: Genuine question - How/when do we find out that a team has been ratified (or not)? All the teams currently show under rider announcements with no averages quoted and with the caveat re ratification Once confirmed this will change on the website to 2018 team declarations with the average applied and a team total 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 15 hours ago, Kitykat said: Don't think that was the case at all. Lakeside got 2 other riders averages wrong, which meant they had to release a rider, that rider being Clegg. Just to set the record straight, Jon Cook did not get the averages wrong. Back in November and immediately after the AGM, to which he was not invited as he was neither a Premiership nor Championship promoter at that time, he let the BSPA know he intended signing Ed Kennett and Ben Morley so asked what averages they would come in on. He was told he couldn't sign Ed but for Ben it would be his PL average from 2016. From this he deduced that the same situation would apply to Zach Waijknecht Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairboy Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 It may well be that the BSPA made an error in giving Clegg the 2 point average, and if that's the case they deserve to be criticised for it. But no fault can be attached to RH, surely? What's done is done. It's not as if the error (if that's what it is) was published just for a day or two and then corrected. It's been on the SGB website for months, and it's still there now. I'm glad I'm not a speedway promoter for many reasons (!) - but I have to say, if I were Steve Jenson and the BSPA were to refuse his team at this stage, when he has done nothing wrong, my reaction would inevitably be to ask myself "why am I bothering with all this?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 31 minutes ago, White City Rebel said: It may well be that the BSPA made an error in giving Clegg the 2 point average, and if that's the case they deserve to be criticised for it. But no fault can be attached to RH, surely? What's done is done. It's not as if the error (if that's what it is) was published just for a day or two and then corrected. It's been on the SGB website for months, and it's still there now. I'm glad I'm not a speedway promoter for many reasons (!) - but I have to say, if I were Steve Jenson and the BSPA were to refuse his team at this stage, when he has done nothing wrong, my reaction would inevitably be to ask myself "why am I bothering with all this?". If an error has been made - then it would need to be corrected. If that means signing a new rider then so be it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 Well the fans complain that promoters fuss over petty rules yet all this furore over Max Clegg. Rye House's season will not depend on Max and unfortunately I don't think he will keep his place within six weeks anyway (hope Im proved wrong). If you want to complain about false averages the Woffinden two years ago coming in on a 7 and Worynas 4.50 a complete joke that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, White City Rebel said: It may well be that the BSPA made an error in giving Clegg the 2 point average, and if that's the case they deserve to be criticised for it. But no fault can be attached to RH, surely? What's done is done. It's not as if the error (if that's what it is) was published just for a day or two and then corrected. It's been on the SGB website for months, and it's still there now. I'm glad I'm not a speedway promoter for many reasons (!) - but I have to say, if I were Steve Jenson and the BSPA were to refuse his team at this stage, when he has done nothing wrong, my reaction would inevitably be to ask myself "why am I bothering with all this?". Sadly the BSPA makes these errors alarmingly too often. The buck falls with them for sure as they are the ones making (and changing) the rules to suit. Rye will equally get some criticism from fans of other clubs who find signing riders on false averages as abhorrent. No one likes a team with 'ringers' in. Unless it's the home fans I guess. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 There's only one person on this whole forum who begrudges max he's average and we all know who this sad obsessed person is don't we Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: There's only one person on this whole forum who begrudges max he's average and we all know who this sad obsessed person is don't we Take your blinkers off and read others who have said the same. How can anyone begrudge a rider a made up average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 37 minutes ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: Blinkers why would I have blinkers on ? I'm a complete neutral .. Your a fool and all this forum knows it #obsessed That's your opinion, you don't speak for the forum. Stalker alert. Seems you are indeed obsessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Any announcement expected for the press and practice day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Probably waiting for the track to dry out and if any more rubbish weather is forecast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 What's the story on Aaron Summers apparently being about to sign for Rye House? Seems he's been trying to sort out a mechanic to help him at Rye House home meetings....strange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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