Hamish McRaker Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 If a rider ever tries to free himself from this restraint, he could try buying himself out of it, offering say £1 to his "owners" who would presumably reject it and state their price. In such a case, would the arbitration system apply? Or would it have to be adjudicated by a different court? Would this be a possible way of rendering the asset system defunct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said: If a rider ever tries to free himself from this restraint, he could try buying himself out of it, offering say £1 to his "owners" who would presumably reject it and state their price. In such a case, would the arbitration system apply? Or would it have to be adjudicated by a different court? Would this be a possible way of rendering the asset system defunct? There is another issue when a rider reaches his 18th birthday, who if riding prior to that date had his parents sign any riding contract, who then refuses to sign the contract offered, as the rider has becomes an adult and has to sign any agreements or contracts himself. Any club wanting that rider could ignore any previous signed contract or agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 48 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said: If a rider ever tries to free himself from this restraint, he could try buying himself out of it, offering say £1 to his "owners" who would presumably reject it and state their price. In such a case, would the arbitration system apply? Or would it have to be adjudicated by a different court? Would this be a possible way of rendering the asset system defunct? I believe that within current regulations a rider is not permitted to own their own registration - it has to be an a promotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I believe that within current regulations a rider is not permitted to own their own registration - it has to be an a promotion Correct, or by the BSPA on behalf of the absent team or promoter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Linus is a Poole asset so why wouldn't he be in discussion with Poole? He was first choice to replace the injured KK early last season but couldn't make the fixtures work for him, hence Poole getting Zengota instead!! I never said he shouldn't be. My point is that we should have tried to sign him (we may well have but I doubt it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 What a system! There has to be some control, in a reasonable and legal way, but this seems to be overly one-sided. A good lawyer would tear it to pieces. When a rider signs his first UK club contract, does it really state that the club/promotion has those lasting rights over him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said: What a system! There has to be some control, in a reasonable and legal way, but this seems to be overly one-sided. A good lawyer would tear it to pieces. When a rider signs his first UK club contract, does it really state that the club/promotion has those lasting rights over him? Yep - and no rider can compete without signing his registration to a promotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairboy Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 It's been said before, but it's still true - British speedway's asset system is effectively one which was ruled illegal in football years ago by the European Court, and was thereby brought to an abrupt end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Speedway does not face the same rules as football. It never will due to the nature of it. We have one league that is worth all the other league sports across Europe put together. We ever Poland says goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 With the asset system,i don't get how you can own a rider so to speak without actually paying them.They are actually self employed or not surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, tellboy said: With the asset system,i don't get how you can own a rider so to speak without actually paying them.They are actually self employed or not surely? Slavery was abolished nearly 200 years ago. Nobody is 'owned.' What is owned is 'the contract'. Effectively the intangible asset of the right to enter into negotiations with a view to engaging the rider's services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, arnieg said: Slavery was abolished nearly 200 years ago. Nobody is 'owned.' What is owned is 'the contract'. Effectively the intangible asset of the right to enter into negotiations with a view to engaging the rider's services. Ok the contract being owned.But unlike other sports ie football,if a club owns the contract of a player they still have to pay him whether he plays or not.But in speedway then,the club owns the contract but don't have to pay him if he doesn't ride for them thus making kind of self employed.It is a weird set up don't you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 So (with apologies to Rye House supporters whose thread this is!) what happens when a rider retires from speedway? Presumably his registration is cancelled, and the contract along with it? But then he subsequently un-retires ( eg David Howe)....does that contract resume as before, or is he free to obtain a new contract and registration with a new club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 Just now, Hamish McRaker said: So (with apologies to Rye House supporters whose thread this is!) what happens when a rider retires from speedway? Presumably his registration is cancelled, and the contract along with it? But then he subsequently un-retires ( eg David Howe)....does that contract resume as before, or is he free to obtain a new contract and registration with a new club? The registration remains with the club indefinitely In your example the club holding Davids registration before his retirement would still have held it upon his return That club wouldve had first priority for his services and have had to agree to his signing elsewhere whilst also picking up a loan fee in that scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 4 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: The registration remains with the club indefinitely In your example the club holding Davids registration before his retirement would still have held it upon his return That club wouldve had first priority for his services and have had to agree to his signing elsewhere whilst also picking up a loan fee in that scenario So it sounds like death is the only way of revoking a contract unless a transfer is successfully completed. Brings that movie called The Firm to mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 I might be having a senior moment, but I seem to remember John Davis owning his own contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Triple.H. said: I might be having a senior moment, but I seem to remember John Davis owning his own contract. I believe you are right. A few looked to do it and soon the avenue was closed Didnt take the clubs long to realise the future impact and put a stop to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 Yawn shall we start a new Rye House 2018 thread or better still discuss contracts, Poole rider negotiations etc etc elsewhere like say in a thread of there own. God this forum can be boring when a thread is hijacked 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, westhamboy66 said: Yawn shall we start a new Rye House 2018 thread or better still discuss contracts, Poole rider negotiations etc etc elsewhere like say in a thread of there own. God this forum can be boring when a thread is hijacked Not as boring as when a post neither adds anything to the ongoing discussion nor offers a new dimension or direction 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Triple.H. said: I might be having a senior moment, but I seem to remember John Davis owning his own contract. JD wasn’t the only rider to own his own contract at that time there was another rider who also owned their own contract, but for the life of me I cannot remember who it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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