Rayleigh Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 stupid rule, riders have to make a living, and riding in the Prem only will not pay for most riders. No rider has a divine right to ride speedway fulltime if the riders and the sport cant generate enough income, then part time it is. STOP THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 if I had a contract of employment for 2 days per week, then would it be unfair for me to try to get more work to boost my income. Nic Morris has a higher average P/L than Nichols or Kennet have in the same P/L, has the BSPA stopped him from riding in 2 leagues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 I don't go along with this School/kids out late, I was at Old Trafford last night to see Utd beat Moscow, there were plenty of parents with 1...2... and more children with them, the match finished at roughly the same time, but the journey home would of been a fair bit longer as getting out of the stadium and traffic jams are far worse than any speedway match over here. The bottom line is, if the kids want to go to the speedway, the parents will still take them. The other bottom line is that if some parents want to go to the match and the cost of taking them is less than a competent babysitter, they will take them ( wether the kids want to go or not ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 if I had a contract of employment for 2 days per week, then would it be unfair for me to try to get more work to boost my income. Nic Morris has a higher average P/L than Nichols or Kennet have in the same P/L, has the BSPA stopped him from riding in 2 leagues Speedway isn't a normal job. If a rider is good enough then channels to ride abroad will open for them, otherwise they're not owed anything here, particularly not to the detriment of the paying public. Riders ride in the first place for themselves as a hobby or to satisfy the need for an adrenaline rush. Somewhere along the lines some have started to expect to earn their living from it. Ultimately riders race for themselves, in other sports if you're not good enough you have to go out and get a proper job and either give up the sport or compete and practice in your spare time and funding it from your own pocket. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Boocock one of England's all time greats worked as a garage manager in Rugby.Looks like speedwayriders will have to go back to working or get sponsorship to pay for the extras 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Speedway isn't a normal job. If a rider is good enough then channels to ride abroad will open for them, otherwise they're not owed anything here, particularly not to the detriment of the paying public. Riders ride in the first place for themselves as a hobby or to satisfy the need for an adrenaline rush. Somewhere along the lines some have started to expect to earn their living from it. Ultimately riders race for themselves, in other sports if you're not good enough you have to go out and get a proper job and either give up the sport or compete and practice in your spare time and funding it from your own pocket. The other factor, though, is that there might not be enough riders of a suitable standard to fill the existing clubs. There were about 35 riders last season who doubled - five team's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Have one Elite league and then a semi pro league for weekend racers. Once this happens a few tracks would close so rider shortage wouldnt be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Have one Elite league and then a semi pro league for weekend racers. Once this happens a few tracks would close so rider shortage wouldnt be a problem. That seems a forward looking solution. I hope your track doesn't close! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 That seems a forward looking solution. I hope your track doesn't close! As I've sadly had to say elsewhere, these 'supporters' are great at being happy to see tracks close - as long as it isn't theirs. I know I'm not the only one here who still misses Rayleigh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Yes Rob so do I my first taste of speedway but when you consider all London tracks have gone some others are in their twilight and a dwindling fan base its a depressing fact of Speedway today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Yes Rob so do I my first taste of speedway but when you consider all London tracks have gone some others are in their twilight and a dwindling fan base its a depressing fact of Speedway today. Why do people go on about London, whether you like it or not, the make up of residents are vastly different fact than from the 20th Century and unless Speedway can find a way to reach out to the non white population, London speedway will always be a "thing from the past" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) Why do people go on about London, whether you like it or not, the make up of residents are vastly different fact than from the 20th Century and unless Speedway can find a way to reach out to the non white population, London speedway will always be a "thing from the past"Belle Vue, Birmingham, Bradford, Leicester, Wolverhampton, Coventry... So many tracks within towns or cities with a high ethnic, in particular Asian, populous in and around the tracks immediate catchment area.. Nothing seems to be done to attract this ever growing sector of the community to the Speedway on their doorstep... A huge opportunity I would suggest in targeting them, particularly as many of whom in this community have a culturally higher than average number of children... Edited December 8, 2017 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) Why do people go on about London, whether you like it or not, the make up of residents are vastly different fact than from the 20th Century and unless Speedway can find a way to reach out to the non white population, London speedway will always be a "thing from the past" Yes it has changed, but other sports survived. We were so reliant on dog tracks and it's the decline of that sport that's dragged us down in London. Land is worth more used for commercial units or housing than running minority sport. Unless the stadium is making good money or has protection, either through a benefactor, legal or council policy you are inevitably under threat. In many ways the Weir was a signpost to the future. I had to break a vow a couple of years back. My wife (an ex-Hackney Hawks fan) persuaded me that I really needed to buy clothes from a shop situated I reckon about on the old fourth bend terracing site. And so, after thirty years I finally returned to the Weir, under protest ;-) I'd made one other visit since 1973 - in 1980 after the Rockets had won their first title at Rye House I went back as part of a personal celebration/commemoration/contemplation. I'd been tempted to ask if we could take the NL trophy there just for a small private parade of it round what was left of the track - a bit of sad sentiment to today's supporters, I expect. I doubt whether the then promotion would have understood the sentiment. It was sickening to see it still derelict after seven seasons that could have given us so many more speedway memories there. It is one of the greatest truths that you do NOT know what you have until it's gone. I hate it whenever I hear of another track's closure, and it hurt like hell when we lost Rye House in 1994, almost two decades to the month after Rayleigh. Thankfully that wasn't permanent but so often tracks, like lost loved ones have an awful habit of staying dead. It's easy for others to say "Well, I'm okay".... With the promotional changes at Rye House I hope to get there next year. It would have been this year if not for poor health and other problems. I'll just take a quiet seat in a corner and remember. Edited December 9, 2017 by Rob McCaffery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Feel those sentiments ^^. Heard from a couple of sources that Rye House's tractor & grader circa 1994 ended up at Hull, Craven Park for 1995 season.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueboy Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 if I had a contract of employment for 2 days per week, then would it be unfair for me to try to get more work to boost my income. Nic Morris has a higher average P/L than Nichols or Kennet have in the same P/L, has the BSPA stopped him from riding in 2 leagues Of course not. You can have as many employments as you like. There is no restriction. You take the job(s) that suits your needs and desires. Speedway riders are no different and can ride in different countries, if they so wish. There is no divine right to ride speedway in the UK or make it pay to the levels they desire. Ultimately, if the promoters dont pay the money they want, what does a speedway rider do then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppetman Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Belle Vue, Birmingham, Bradford, Leicester, Wolverhampton, Coventry... So many tracks within towns or cities with a high ethnic, in particular Asian, populous in and around the tracks immediate catchment area.. Nothing seems to be done to attract this ever growing sector of the community to the Speedway on their doorstep... A huge opportunity I would suggest in targeting them, particularly as many of whom in this community have a culturally higher than average number of children... Well look what happened when a member of this ever growing sector of the community was attracted to Brandon. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Of course not. You can have as many employments as you like. There is no restriction. You take the job(s) that suits your needs and desires. Speedway riders are no different and can ride in different countries, if they so wish. There is no divine right to ride speedway in the UK or make it pay to the levels they desire. Ultimately, if the promoters dont pay the money they want, what does a speedway rider do then? And that’s exactly what’s wrong with so many businesses - a “them” and “us” attitude. Riders and promoters should unite, with fair pay according to means, longer contracts encouraging loyalty and a will to build a club brand that attracts and keeps fans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 And thats exactly whats wrong with so many businesses - a them and us attitude. Riders and promoters should unite, with fair pay according to means, longer contracts encouraging loyalty and a will to build a club brand that attracts and keeps fans. Like Jason Doyle's 2 year contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 .... unfortunately scuppered by the one eight pointer rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Rumours that KK is Belle Vue bound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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