Rye House 2018

[Orbiter]

So the riders will be paid up to date what they are owed?

[ouch]

If it’s like Leicester & Belle Vue it’ll be less 10%. Lol. 

[cityrebel]

5 hours ago, hammer1969 said:

Couple of articles in Speedway Star July 14th edition re Rye House one of them being a full page from Steve Jenson. I hope speedway does continue at Rye but I'll only be going if it's a team riding in one of the leagues, preferably Championship.

According to Jenson, crowds were poor in 2016, rye's last season in the middle tier. It's going to be a financial risk for rye to reopen at any level.

Edited July 14, 2018 by cityrebel
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[Ben91]

On 7/14/2018 at 2:36 PM, cityrebel said:

According to Jenson, crowds were poor in 2016, rye's last season in the middle tier. It's going to be a financial risk for rye to reopen at any level.

Why were the crowds poor in 2016 though? It’s rumoured that we had Rob Lambert pencilled in but Newcastle made him a better offer and that threw a spanner in the works. On top of that the other rumour was that NBJ didn’t come back because there couldn’t be an arrangement made over who would clean his bikes. 

There was the Karger debacle. Absolute rubbish and given far more time than he should have been. Lanham was a spent force going through the motions. 

In short, the team was rubbish, if a good team is assembled then second tier racing is viable at Rye House, just ask Len Silver. 

[cityrebel]

34 minutes ago, Ben91 said:

Why were the crowds poor in 2016 though? It’s rumoured that we had Rob Lambert pencilled in but Newcastle made him a better offer and that threw a spanner in the works. On top of that the other rumour was that NBJ didn’t come back because there couldn’t be an arrangement made over who would clean his bikes. 

There was the Karger debacle. Absolute rubbish and given far more time than he should have been. Lanham was a spent force going through the motions. 

In short, the team was rubbish, if a good team is assembled then second tier racing is viable at Rye House, just ask Len Silver. 

I agree with you, but len got out because of a shrinking fan base and a stadium that needed major investment. Crowd wise, the sport is in a lot worse state than it was two years ago.

[Ben91]

3 hours ago, cityrebel said:

I agree with you, but len got out because of a shrinking fan base and a stadium that needed major investment. Crowd wise, the sport is in a lot worse state than it was two years ago.

Len’s Kent interests certainly helped him let Rye go easier I think. Speedway attendances are declining year on year and have been for as long as I can remember and as you say the last two years have seen that rate accelerate. 

The sport should be an easy product to sell but self-interest from promoters is driving away the most important people, the fans. 

[waytogo28]

57 minutes ago, Ben91 said:

Len’s Kent interests certainly helped him let Rye go easier I think. Speedway attendances are declining year on year and have been for as long as I can remember and as you say the last two years have seen that rate accelerate. 

The sport should be an easy product to sell but self-interest from promoters is driving away the most important people, the fans. 

Steady On Ben91. That is a revolutionary, nay treasonous thought to put before the BSPA. That the fans are the most important people! They long ago gave up the battle to win the hearts and minds of the supporters. Even those few now left.

[SFTGNigel]

On 7/13/2018 at 10:56 AM, Rayleigh said:

 

Prehaps trying every week would have resulted in better results for the team, then more fans will attend, then more money is raised, then he gets paid earlier?

 

Only just seen this, if you think Chris Harris wasn’t trying then you weren’t watching him ride. 

Amy news at all in what is going on now at Rye? Total silence from all involved for a few weeks now. 

[Welwyn]

On 7/23/2018 at 11:12 PM, SFTGNigel said:

Only just seen this, if you think Chris Harris wasn’t trying then you weren’t watching him ride. 

Amy news at all in what is going on now at Rye? Total silence from all involved for a few weeks now. 

That's the biggest worry of all.

My desperation to win the EuroMillions to help grows by the day! (although Newport & Cov would probably come first if it somehow happened!)

[cityrebel]

There is a dragons amateur meeting scheduled for rye on Sunday. As an unlicensed venue, it will be interesting to see if this goes ahead.

[tonyd]

If Rye are to return in 2019 then I think they should enter the National League with a team, after the fiasco this year they need to ........

1) start from scratch again

2) walk before they can run 

3) build up the fan base again (and the fans belief in BMR again)

4) Build a team they can afford and survive the season

5) ensure they run on a Saturday evening or Sunday afternoon.

Ambition is great and BMR had / have plenty of that but for that you also have to have deep pockets and it seems you have to ensure your face fits and be in with the right click of people when your sitting around the table at the big HQ.  

BMR need to look back over the Silver years, many people moaned about Len (including me) as a promoter, his teams, and his presentation but and its a BIG but at least he gave us speedway virtualy every weekend throughout the season for a great number of years.

[Rayleigh]

6 hours ago, tonyd said:

If Rye are to return in 2019 then I think they should enter the National League with a team, after the fiasco this year they need to ........

1) start from scratch again

2) walk before they can run 

3) build up the fan base again (and the fans belief in BMR again)

4) Build a team they can afford and survive the season

5) ensure they run on a Saturday evening or Sunday afternoon.

Ambition is great and BMR had / have plenty of that but for that you also have to have deep pockets and it seems you have to ensure your face fits and be in with the right click of people when your sitting around the table at the big HQ.  

BMR need to look back over the Silver years, many people moaned about Len (including me) as a promoter, his teams, and his presentation but and its a BIG but at least he gave us speedway virtualy every weekend throughout the season for a great number of years.

How easy it is to have rose coloured spectacles about Silver

How about winning - He nicked Woffy from Scunthorpe (who actually developed him in the National League)  when we won the league

How about the team - The teams deteriorated year on year (don't mention picking Boxall over Doyle)

How competitive we were - We landed up bottom three year on year (the only team missing us now is Redcar as they are bottom every year)

How about the stadium -, no investment what so ever in fact Health and Safety condemned the stand, so without the money BMR put it the club would have been shut down anyway

How about the crowds - well he oversaw a drop from 1,500 to about 400 each meeting

How about the marketing - quote " if you do like it the way I run it then don't bother coming"

He run the club down in the mid eighties and poor Ronnie Russell (I am no fan of Ronnie) copped it until it closed in 1993

He was given the club back by the fans in 2000 (first night back at Rye House a crowd of over 2,500 and paying the riders around £10 per point (you do the sums)

He run the club down again and poor BMR (I am no fan of BMR) copped it until it closed in 2018

 

Yes I yearn for my club to back, No I don't yearn for it to be run by Silver

[westhamboy66]

15 hours ago, Rayleigh said:

How easy it is to have rose coloured spectacles about Silver

How about winning - He nicked Woffy from Scunthorpe (who actually developed him in the National League)  when we won the league

How about the team - The teams deteriorated year on year (don't mention picking Boxall over Doyle)

How competitive we were - We landed up bottom three year on year (the only team missing us now is Redcar as they are bottom every year)

How about the stadium -, no investment what so ever in fact Health and Safety condemned the stand, so without the money BMR put it the club would have been shut down anyway

How about the crowds - well he oversaw a drop from 1,500 to about 400 each meeting

How about the marketing - quote " if you do like it the way I run it then don't bother coming"

He run the club down in the mid eighties and poor Ronnie Russell (I am no fan of Ronnie) copped it until it closed in 1993

He was given the club back by the fans in 2000 (first night back at Rye House a crowd of over 2,500 and paying the riders around £10 per point (you do the sums)

He run the club down again and poor BMR (I am no fan of BMR) copped it until it closed in 2018

 

Yes I yearn for my club to back, No I don't yearn for it to be run by Silver

I can't get beyond the first line of this ....Check the rules you will find he didn't nick Woffinden. He and his late father chose Rye for various reasons including the Financial package.

3 League titles during his tenure. You clearly have some personal problem with him maybe you were the one his if you don't like it comments were aimed at. The I'm no fan of BMR is priceless as is the Poor Ronnie Russell comment, so we can gather that you had no time for all the Promoters going back to the demise of Rayleigh. Perhaps there is a clue in your username eh?  

[Rayleigh]

1 hour ago, westhamboy66 said:

I can't get beyond the first line of this ....Check the rules you will find he didn't nick Woffinden. He and his late father chose Rye for various reasons including the Financial package.

3 League titles during his tenure. You clearly have some personal problem with him maybe you were the one his if you don't like it comments were aimed at. The I'm no fan of BMR is priceless as is the Poor Ronnie Russell comment, so we can gather that you had no time for all the Promoters going back to the demise of Rayleigh. Perhaps there is a clue in your username eh?  

Not sure why you choose to make your response personal instead of debating the valid points I make.

The point about Woffy was he didn't discover and train him but his cheque book was bigger than Scunthorpes (Chelsea and Man city would approve)

Thanks for enlightening me that "Uncle" Len was talking to me direct. "you clearly have some personal problem with him", No, but the facts I listed are more relevant.

Given the decaying team and stadium and fan base I don't think BMR (sure they were naïve but them meant well) are the main reason for this situation ITS LEN SILVER and by the way there was one particular promotion at Rye House that I thought were exceptional.

 

Edited July 26, 2018 by Rayleigh

[waytogo28]

8 hours ago, Rayleigh said:

Not sure why you choose to make your response personal instead of debating the valid points I make.

The point about Woffy was he didn't discover and train him but his cheque book was bigger than Scunthorpes (Chelsea and Man city would approve)

Thanks for enlightening me that "Uncle" Len was talking to me direct. "you clearly have some personal problem with him", No, but the facts I listed are more relevant.

Given the decaying team and stadium and fan base I don't think BMR (sure they were naïve but them meant well) are the main reason for this situation ITS LEN SILVER and by the way there was one particular promotion at Rye House that I thought were exceptional.

 

How can you sell up and be responsible for what happens three years later? BMR were hyped as ultra professional and must have looked " buyer beware" style carefully at what they were buying? An ageing, tired business that BMR were certain they could revive and found out that they couldn't. 

[Ben91]

9 hours ago, Rayleigh said:

Not sure why you choose to make your response personal instead of debating the valid points I make.

The point about Woffy was he didn't discover and train him but his cheque book was bigger than Scunthorpes (Chelsea and Man city would approve)

Thanks for enlightening me that "Uncle" Len was talking to me direct. "you clearly have some personal problem with him", No, but the facts I listed are more relevant.

Given the decaying team and stadium and fan base I don't think BMR (sure they were naïve but them meant well) are the main reason for this situation ITS LEN SILVER and by the way there was one particular promotion at Rye House that I thought were exceptional.

 

You’ll find that in 2007 Scunthorpe only raced in the Conference and Tai rode for them as well as the Rockets in the PL. We didn’t nick him, we made him an offer and he took it. 

[Rayleigh]

55 minutes ago, Ben91 said:

You’ll find that in 2007 Scunthorpe only raced in the Conference and Tai rode for them as well as the Rockets in the PL. We didn’t nick him, we made him an offer and he took it. 

But Scunthorpe were going up to the National League in 2008 and they wanted Tai and if I recall Josh Auty to spearhead the team. My point is we cannot take all the credit as we didn't discover him from our training track like a Dan Bewley or even a Marvyn Cox (whom we did develop although that was 36 years ago)

 

1 hour ago, waytogo28 said:

How can you sell up and be responsible for what happens three years later? BMR were hyped as ultra professional and must have looked " buyer beware" style carefully at what they were buying? An ageing, tired business that BMR were certain they could revive and found out that they couldn't. 

A Health and Safety inspection condemned the stadium with a massive list of problems only missing" two dead pigeons in the water tank". It cost a fortune from BMR to at least have three more years speedway.

As for your valid point that they couldn't revive it, well there seems to be some confusion that BMR may not have pulled the plug rather the BSPA did.

 

I am sure Ben91 and waytogo28 are as big a fan of Rye House as I am but please try to see what has really happened at Hoddesdon over a long period of time.

Edited July 27, 2018 by Rayleigh

[Najjer]

46 minutes ago, Rayleigh said:

A Health and Safety inspection condemned the stadium with a massive list of problems only missing" two dead pigeons in the water tank". It cost a fortune from BMR to at least have three more years speedway.

IF that's true, they're even bigger morons than I gave them credit for. What decent businessman buys a business without doing the relevant checks on what he is actually buying? Surely he has to know the state of it to reflect the value of what he is spending. That just makes them look even more incompetent than what they have been made to look over the last few months or more already. 

Edited July 27, 2018 by Najjer

[Ben91]

2 hours ago, Rayleigh said:

But Scunthorpe were going up to the National League in 2008 and they wanted Tai and if I recall Josh Auty to spearhead the team. My point is we cannot take all the credit as we didn't discover him from our training track like a Dan Bewley or even a Marvyn Cox (whom we did develop although that was 36 years ago)

 

A Health and Safety inspection condemned the stadium with a massive list of problems only missing" two dead pigeons in the water tank". It cost a fortune from BMR to at least have three more years speedway.

As for your valid point that they couldn't revive it, well there seems to be some confusion that BMR may not have pulled the plug rather the BSPA did.

 

I am sure Ben91 and waytogo28 are as big a fan of Rye House as I am but please try to see what has really happened at Hoddesdon over a long period of time.

I don’t think we ever claimed to be responsible for discovering Tai. We played an important part in his development and seeing him currently the best rider in the world drives home how lucky we were to be graced by his talent for two seasons. Scunthorpe aren’t solely responsible either however, Tai cut his teeth in Australia and came over here in 2006 without a team spot with his Dad looking for a ride anywhere. Scunthorpe used him in a challenge I believe where he excelled and so they snapped him up, the rest is history of course. 

Even Auty isn’t a Scunthorpe discovery, he was the hottest property in youth speedway pre-2006 and started out riding at Sheffield I believe. Certainly not Scunthorpe as he was riding before they re-opened as a youth. 

[ouch]

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