Rye House 2018

[Whisperer]

Lots of speculation on here but in simple terms a club that is annulled cannot stage speedway until all the liabilities have been discharged and then they have to re-apply for membership which could demand a greater bond. If they sell the club all of the in house debts have to be settled before ownership can be transferred and the new promotion stage speedway, the money would go through the BSPA. The BSPA have the right to sieze the rider registrations, utilise the bond and withhold any monies due to BMR to raise sufficient funds to meet their in house debt. BMR cannot legally stage speedway without a track licence and approval from the ACU. The ACU were constitutionally given legal right to control all motor cycle sport (speedway too) in the UK and choose to delegate their responsibility to the SCB which is renewed by contractual agreement on a very regular timescale. Anyone who chooses to run speedway on an unlicensed circuit controlled by unlicensed people are outside the protection of the ACU and FIM which in effect means that no ACU/FIM licence holder can compete or officiate at or on an unlicensed facility. All motorcycle disciplines affiliated to the ACU in the UK are protected by the off road motor sport regulations which exempts competitors and officials from motoring and construction and use regulations.

As a ridiculous example of this if an ambulance is called to a track to an injured competitor the Police don't have to turn up and carry out an investigation for offences nor do they give a ticket to your number 1 because he hasn't got lights, brakes tax, insurance, mot etc. The temptation is to mock but it is the RAC/ACU who lobbied Parliament years ago to secure immunity from prosecution for motor sport competitors. This is slightly different in Scotland where the Police may show up to satisfy themselves that it is in fact a motor sport event.

The regulatory powers of the SCB/ACU were defined following the Shawcross Report and are enshrined in the ACU Constitution for track racing so BMR need to find a compromise but then again the current Management Committee don't give a rubbish about legality or constitutions.

[mikebv]

11 hours ago, topaz325 said:

Because it is inevitable .......falling crowds over the last 5-10 years at least , anyway it’s not the promoters fault it’s the fans fault for not flocking to the stadiums.

100 % correct..

When I stopped going regularly, invariably due to reading about the Mickey Mouse proceedings being proposed to be placed in front of me,  I do now accept that it was my duty to provide a 'Guest' for my absence, or at the very least I should have let Speedway use 'F/R' (the Fan Replacement Facilty)..

On behalf of myself and probably thousands of others who now longer attend in the frequency we once did...

Apologies..

It is our fault the Sport in this Country is where it is... 

[Argos]

With the sad demise of R.House, and the current state of British Speedway, I bet Brandon Estates have a big smile on there faces, what ammunition this gives them to say Speedway is not a  profitable  business 

[startline sid]

2 hours ago, Whisperer said:

Lots of speculation on here but in simple terms a club that is annulled cannot stage speedway until all the liabilities have been discharged and then they have to re-apply for membership which could demand a greater bond. If they sell the club all of the in house debts have to be settled before ownership can be transferred and the new promotion stage speedway, the money would go through the BSPA. The BSPA have the right to sieze the rider registrations, utilise the bond and withhold any monies due to BMR to raise sufficient funds to meet their in house debt. BMR cannot legally stage speedway without a track licence and approval from the ACU. The ACU were constitutionally given legal right to control all motor cycle sport (speedway too) in the UK and choose to delegate their responsibility to the SCB which is renewed by contractual agreement on a very regular timescale. Anyone who chooses to run speedway on an unlicensed circuit controlled by unlicensed people are outside the protection of the ACU and FIM which in effect means that no ACU/FIM licence holder can compete or officiate at or on an unlicensed facility. All motorcycle disciplines affiliated to the ACU in the UK are protected by the off road motor sport regulations which exempts competitors and officials from motoring and construction and use regulations.

As a ridiculous example of this if an ambulance is called to a track to an injured competitor the Police don't have to turn up and carry out an investigation for offences nor do they give a ticket to your number 1 because he hasn't got lights, brakes tax, insurance, mot etc. The temptation is to mock but it is the RAC/ACU who lobbied Parliament years ago to secure immunity from prosecution for motor sport competitors. This is slightly different in Scotland where the Police may show up to satisfy themselves that it is in fact a motor sport event.

The regulatory powers of the SCB/ACU were defined following the Shawcross Report and are enshrined in the ACU Constitution for track racing so BMR need to find a compromise but then again the current Management Committee don't give a rubbish about legality or constitutions.

exactly what I was thinking and because of that I can not see there will be any speedway at Rye again this year or in future until all debts are paid 

[June01]

Random question based on reading the vast majority of this thread. Who is making the most money from speedway right at this moment in time? One company or individual must still be sitting pretty, so who is it?

[Haza]

5 hours ago, June01 said:

Random question based on reading the vast majority of this thread. Who is making the most money from speedway right at this moment in time? One company or individual must still be sitting pretty, so who is it?

If Kings Lynn ain’t making money no one is - Buster owns the stadium own the food and drink outlets so how can he not make money out of speedway ?

[Ray Stadia]

50 minutes ago, Haza said:

If Kings Lynn ain’t making money no one is - Buster owns the stadium own the food and drink outlets so how can he not make money out of speedway ?

Well, although he may own the whole set-up, if he is not getting enough paying fans to meet his overheads, the business will not make a profit. But then, the BSF has spoken about falling crowd numbers for years. I was surprised when RH decided to go into the top level of speedway and did wonder if it could be sustained, but didn't in my own mind, predict a mid-season pull out. It is a sad state of affairs, especially after the original fight and hard work to get speedway back at RH. 

[cityrebel]

7 hours ago, startline sid said:

exactly what I was thinking and because of that I can not see there will be any speedway at Rye again this year or in future until all debts are paid 

Why would anyone run professional Speedway there again, there is no money in it. You could run a few unlicensed meetings there like iwade and lydd, but what's the point. The stadium will probably end up running different types of motorsport with less financial risk.

[GWC]

1 hour ago, cityrebel said:

Why would anyone run professional Speedway there again, there is no money in it. You could run a few unlicensed meetings there like iwade and lydd, but what's the point. The stadium will probably end up running different types of motorsport with less financial risk.

It won’t support the level of racing currently but it would support a lower level.

The stadium is set up for speedway so negligible start up costs just run at NL and go from there.

[cityrebel]

Would anyone support it though. Lakeside's crowds were terrible for NL racing last year. It's a big drop from top flight to third tier. I would go, because I watch speedway at all levels.

[Guest GiveusaB]

9 minutes ago, cityrebel said:

Would anyone support it though. Lakeside's crowds were terrible for NL racing last year. It's a big drop from top flight to third tier. I would go, because I watch speedway at all levels.

It's a big adjustment and takes some getting used to (depending on your expectations etc....)

It's great to see the best riders (i.e prem meetings) but I've adjusted my expectation levels and now prefer a close/competitive meeting (whatever level)

[marko]

2 hours ago, cityrebel said:

Would anyone support it though. Lakeside's crowds were terrible for NL racing last year. It's a big drop from top flight to third tier. I would go, because I watch speedway at all levels.

Yes and it’s a big difference to just having the raiders as opposed to having the Raiders supplement the Rockets in double headers and the odd solo meeting.

[Steve Shovlar]

I hope that some of the Rye House riders get fixed up elsewhere. The only issue is of course is that it will mean other riders have to lose their place. Nature of the business though.

Heard that the Rye riders hadn’t been paid for 7 weeks so lets hope they get preferential treatment for any guest bookings that might come along. 

[East End Fan]

While the drop to the NL is quite big, it has been done very successfully at Eastbourne ( for example). I believe that if the promoter who

is making the drop truly believes in the product, presents it properly and with integrity, enough fans would arrive to support it. But it MUST

be persevered with. My own club, Lakeside, gave out all the signals that they really did not feel happy in the lower league, and that transferred

to the fans.  I was one of the few who actually preferred the National League because, for me, it has more credibility added to the pleasure of

seeing new young kids learn their trade.   So far as Rye House is concerned, this is the 2nd time in it's history that it has closed down. Maybe

it will come back, as it did before, after an absence of a few years. If it does, I hope the owners are more Speedway oriented than the current

bunch.

[Booey boy]

12 hours ago, Argos said:

With the sad demise of R.House, and the current state of British Speedway, I bet Brandon Estates have a big smile on there faces, what ammunition this gives them to say Speedway is not a  profitable  business 

Speedway at Coventry just about breaks even it's the Stockcar meetings that make the stadium profitable BE know this that is why they would not let stock cars continue 

Edited July 6, 2018 by Booey boy

[jim3751]

Apologies for being late to the party but what the hell has happened here?  As soon as I decide to take in a meeting I find my local club doesn't exist anymore.

Not only that but the fact that something odd has happened at Team BMR in the BTCC as well. It changed its engine supplier this season for "economical reasons" and gone from the Championship winner to an also ran this season.  Did they take on too much ?

[Gemini]

55 minutes ago, Booey boy said:

Speedway at Coventry just about breaks even it's the Stockcar meetings that make the stadium profitable BE know this that is why they would not let stock cars continue 

You must have the wrong info as surely it is all Mick Horton's fault?  He usually gets the blame for everything that's happened. 

Edited July 6, 2018 by Gemini

[waytogo28]

13 minutes ago, Gemini said:

You must have the wrong info as surely it is all Mick Horton's fault?  He usually gets the blame for everything that's happened. 

Most of the blame for what went wrong everywhere Horton promoted was his fault. A Buster Jr. wannabe.

[Gemini]

Okay. I prefer to keep an open mind and don't just blame one person for what happened at Coventry. 

[Daniel Smith]

1 minute ago, Gemini said:

Okay. I prefer to keep an open mind and don't just blame one person for what happened at Coventry. 

Just a brief passing comment as don't venture into the NL threads, is things going well at NL level at Leicester? Decent amount of original Coventry spectators?