Bellers101 Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 Not wanting to get involved in the mud slinging and "my dad's bigger than your Dad" name calling from earlier posts but Redcar/Middlesbrough are definitely both in North Yorkshire. Carry on..... What map are you looking at? One from the 60s? I think you will find they aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) What map are you looking at? One from the 60s? I think you will find they aren't. I agree that in the 1960's both Middlesbrough and Redcar were in Yorkshire. In 1968 they both became part of the County Borough of Teesside which was absorbed into the non Metropolitan County of Cleveland in 1974. The county was abolished in 1996 with its boroughs becoming unitary authorities and the Tees re-established as the border between North Yorkshire and County Durham for ceremonial purposes only. If you go on the visit Yorkshire website they are both on there. They may not be covered by NYCC but if you had to put a county on an address you would put North Yorkshire as they are both south of the Tees. Bit of geography there - plus I've managed to reply without resorting to name calling and personal abuse which some on this thread haven't been able to do. Sadly. Edited September 5, 2017 by Yearbyred 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellers101 Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 I agree that in the 1960's both Middlesbrough and Redcar were in Yorkshire. In 1968 they both became part of the County Borough of Teesside which was absorbed into the non Metropolitan County of Cleveland in 1974. The county was abolished in 1996 with its boroughs becoming unitary authorities and the Tees re-established as the border between North Yorkshire and County Durham for ceremonial purposes only. If you go on the visit Yorkshire website they are both on there. They may not be covered by NYCC but if you had to put a county on an address you would put North Yorkshire as they are both south of the Tees. I don't know of anyone in Middlesbrough who uses the county of North Yorhsire as the postal address. I work in Middlesbrough and the office address is not North Yorshire. Just googled the boundry (I cant seem to post the picture on here unless someone can explain to me how to). The closest settlements to Middlesbrough that are in North Yorkshire are Seamer and Great Ayton. Bit of geography there - plus I've managed to reply without resorting to name calling and personal abuse which some on this thread haven't been able to do. Sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 Ceremonial County as I said - not covered as part of NYCC which is the map you were referring to. Lots of people still use Cleveland on their address but that doesn't exist any more. Tour of Yorkshire went through Middlesbrough the other year. Redcar has road signs that say "Redcar & Cleveland in the Tees Valley, part of the historic North Riding of Yorkshire". See, perfectly clear Anyway I'm sure everyone is finding this discussion fascinating! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 Nothing wrong with a bit of culture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear_Bottom Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 Nothing wrong with a bit of culture Are we talking about the food at Newcastle now..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceslider Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 Thought this might help the debate 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 rules need clearing up massively redcar have huge grounds to appeal the joke glasgow fan mcgregors decision to allow r/r for lambert,who regardless was never going to be at that council tip in newcastle either on sunday or in the following week Newcastle did nothing wrong. Neither did McGregor. They both applied the rules as they are written. They are clear. Whether they are fundamentally right or not is a different question all together. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 Thought this might help the debate is that bit sorted out yet,,,, question now, 'is it grim or not' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 is that bit sorted out yet,,,, question now, 'is it grim or not' ? That parts much easier to sort out - some parts are and some parts aren't. Bit like every large town or city in the UK. Glad to be of help. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike7164 Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 It would be nice to be able to see it, if the race is as good as yous say I don't know if its still on there but at one point that whole meeting was available to watch on YouTube, I hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellers101 Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) is that bit sorted out yet,,,, question now, 'is it grim or not' ?Historic as the sign says, not current. Some people close to the border or in the former part of North Yorkshire wish they were still part of it! Just like those good folk of Yearby who actually live in the borough of Redcar and Cleveland but form part of the 'ceremonial county' of North Yorkshire! Not actually official or meaning of anything. Just a hark back to the past. Anything to do with house prices maybe? is that bit sorted out yet,,,, question now, 'is it grim or not' ? Yes its grim! Edited September 5, 2017 by Bellers101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Historic as the sign says, not current. Some people close to the border or in the former part of North Yorkshire wish they were still part of it! Just like those good folk of Yearby who actually live in the borough of Redcar and Cleveland but form part of the 'ceremonial county' of North Yorkshire! Not actually official or meaning of anything. Just a hark back to the past. Anything to do with house prices maybe? I do live in the Borough of Redcar and Cleveland. Correct. Although not many people put much stock in who their "unitary authority" is. Redcar in Yorkshire - the north part of it. As I'm not selling up, it's not grim here, I'm not worried about the house prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 So,,, we have established that it is within the shire or York, some of its grim and some of its not. Is the STMP bit, in a grim/not grim area, or is that down to opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 So,,, we have established that it is within the shire or York, some of its grim and some of its not. Is the STMP bit, in a grim/not grim area, or is that down to opinion. It's all down to opinion!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Max Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 So,,, we have established that it is within the shire or York, some of its grim and some of its not. Is the STMP bit, in a grim/not grim area, or is that down to opinion. Unfortunately due to the nature of the sport, most tracks are situated in "grim" parts, this is to lessen impact on nearby residents. Industrial sites, or even out in the wilds come to mind, it can be a positive in that some of these tracks are then able to develop facilities more easily and have the use of the track on most days for training/practice or rearranging fixtures. Those tracks in "nice" areas are also prone to being targets for development (housing/supermarkets etc) Personally if I visit an area to attend a speedway meeting I'm concerned about what I see on the track, not the factories/pretty green fields/expensive or inexpensive houses surrounding the stadium! Lets be fair this all started with opposing fans trying to score points by throwing insults at each other, and their teams and now facilities/locations - sadly a number then can't resist the opportunity to bite and retaliate which drags the whole debate down and degenerates the thread! Full marks to those who post sensible responses without lowering themselves to the immature level, there are others who you expect better from . (rant over - thank you!) 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 i think its fair to say STMP is in a less salubrious area. Can't see houses going up roundabouts - i think its safe for the foreseeable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Bear Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 The STMP is a motor sport facility , the speedway is part out with karting motor cross etc next door, a great facility overall . All separately run . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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