orion Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 I MAY be wrong but I thought the idea of set race-nights wasn't necessarily about attracting the "top" riders back to the UK but, if two leagues remain, trying to ensure that there are no fixture clashes between Premiership and Championship sides. Yea that is no doubt that is the main reason ..if it's allows a few good riders to come back all the better . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 PLAYING Devil's Advocate for a moment, some promoters are saying that the problem with re-arranging fixtures is because of the number of riders doubling up and therefore if the PL only runs two nights a week with no CL meetings the same day that could be resolved. That would be right, as long as the clubs that you need aren't already booked up on your (restricted) available dates. The other possibility would be double headers, which I personally don't like and which probably lose money. Doubtless when the announcements are made after the AGM, there will be a mixture of agreement and hole picking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 It's almost certainly going to happen and there will be casualties as some clubs drop down to the NL level, leaving the 12 (?) in the top league. As customers we have no choice, as someone else pointed out, other than to go to matches or not. Same is likely to be the case if Buster Chapman get's his way over guests ( almost anywhere and everywhy ) . We can only "buy" what the BSPA chooses to offer to us - or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 I would like to ask a possibly contraversial questions here. Â How many Tracks are the 'powers that be' prepared to sacrifice in order to bring this new System in. Â Speedway Teams currently racing in Greyhound Stadia may find the nights required may not be available to them. Â What then? Â Close them down? Â What about the Supporters? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 NOT sure that Mondays and Thursday are too much of a problem for the current PL tracks and would suit Ipswich and Sheffield in that respect. Wolves run on a Monday, Swindon on a Thursday. Belle Vue, Leicester, Rye House, Somerset and King's Lynn all operate within their own stadiums which just means Poole making a change to Thursdays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 I would like to ask a possibly contraversial questions here. Â How many Tracks are the 'powers that be' prepared to sacrifice in order to bring this new System in. Â Speedway Teams currently racing in Greyhound Stadia may find the nights required may not be available to them. Â What then? Â Close them down? Â What about the Supporters? I keep asking that but there are as yet no answers as everything is still rumour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 NOT sure that Mondays and Thursday are too much of a problem for the current PL tracks and would suit Ipswich and Sheffield in that respect. Wolves run on a Monday, Swindon on a Thursday. Belle Vue, Leicester, Rye House, Somerset and King's Lynn all operate within their own stadiums which just means Poole making a change to Thursdays. Oh!!! That's OK then - what about the rest of the Championship? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) NOT sure that Mondays and Thursday are too much of a problem for the current PL tracks and would suit Ipswich and Sheffield in that respect. Wolves run on a Monday, Swindon on a Thursday. Belle Vue, Leicester, Rye House, Somerset and King's Lynn all operate within their own stadiums which just means Poole making a change to Thursdays. PERHAPS an exception could be made for Redcar to continue on a Thursday. Â Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday would be available to CL tracks. Are there any that don't race on those days? Edited September 3, 2017 by PHILIPRISING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 PERHAPS an exception could be made for Redcar to continue on a Thursday. Â Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday would be available to CL tracks. Are there any that don't race on those days? Assuming there will still be a CL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Assuming there will still be a CL. I HAVE no more idea than anyone else but some of the people involved in the decision making seem to suggest that there simply isn't enough riders to go round in an amalgamated league. Â They seem to favour two leagues, two tracks going the PL, two NL moving into the CL and doubling up, sadly, to continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 I HAVE no more idea than anyone else but some of the people involved in the decision making seem to suggest that there simply isn't enough riders to go round in an amalgamated league. Â They seem to favour two leagues, two tracks going the PL, two NL moving into the CL and doubling up, sadly, to continue. Â There are currently enough senior pro riders registered to have 30 x 8-rider squads. As a well-known Sylvia undata often says, you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you might find you get what you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 I HAVE no more idea than anyone else but some of the people involved in the decision making seem to suggest that there simply isn't enough riders to go round in an amalgamated league. Â They seem to favour two leagues, two tracks going the PL, two NL moving into the CL and doubling up, sadly, to continue. ............... and what if no National League Team wishes to move up to the Championship League. Â "Oh - that's all right just let the Championship run with two less Clubs - who cares"? Is what they will probably say. Â The Supporters of that League may think differently, as I do myself. Â Why is it that whenever the Top League run in to trouble, they are quite prepared to wreck the League below so that their status is maintained. Â I have been around a long time - and this has happened before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Â There are currently enough senior pro riders registered to have 30 x 8-rider squads. As a well-known Sylvia undata often says, you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you might find you get what you need. TRY making up 18 teams with no doubling up from those currently riding for PL and CL teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 If set race nights can be found to work in the British League, both top divisions, then great but just can't see it happening to the much varied stadium availability.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 If set race nights can be found to work in the British League, both top divisions, then great but just can't see it happening to the much varied stadium availability.... HAVE you read posts 25 and 28? ............... and what if no National League Team wishes to move up to the Championship League. Â "Oh - that's all right just let the Championship run with two less Clubs - who cares"? Is what they will probably say. Â The Supporters of that League may think differently, as I do myself. Â Why is it that whenever the Top League run in to trouble, they are quite prepared to wreck the League below so that their status is maintained. Â I have been around a long time - and this has happened before. WHAT if two NL teams felt they could operate in the Championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 HAVE you read posts 25 and 28? WHAT if two NL teams felt they could operate in the Championship? That would be fine as long as they were brought up to Championship strength. I would not like to think of a Team coming in to the Championship too weak to survive and then closed down. Â The Promoters Association would need to help them - possibly financially - how would they feel about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 TRY making up 18 teams with no doubling up from those currently riding for PL and CL teams  As I hinted in my previous post, it can be done, but without an open minded approach it's a non-starter. If the 1st division want all the best riders and the 2nd division want nearly all the best riders then forget it. I've got 3 hours to spare before the WEC race in Mexico starts so I'll work on the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full-throttle Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 How many riders ,want these changes ?. and how many others does it actually affect , I look forward to next season I'm planning to support whichever team Emil Sajfutdinov chooses to ride for , and of course because of the increased admission I'll have to pick and choose which meetings i go to and which GP stars I really want to see , there's 16 top riders at least ,the 16 GP riders so assuming there's 8 premiership teams that's 2 for each brilliant , only five places left to fill with riders who only want to ride once a fortnight ,, can't wait  surely it would just be once a week, unless doubling up, home one week away t'other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie21 Posted September 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 NOT sure that Mondays and Thursday are too much of a problem for the current PL tracks and would suit Ipswich and Sheffield in that respect. Wolves run on a Monday, Swindon on a Thursday. Belle Vue, Leicester, Rye House, Somerset and King's Lynn all operate within their own stadiums which just means Poole making a change to Thursdays.I understand that some clubs have there own stadiums but taking Somerset as an example, they race night is Friday and a second been Wednesday both with a cut off time. I believe this cut off time was given to the club from the local council as part of the planning agreement. If this the case then a change of night will be a change of usage and then further planning consent will be required. We all know how some councils "just love speedway" and would use any way to put all sorts of restrictions on the local club. As I said in my first post please don't put clubs in a position where they have to go to the local council. ( I have used Somerset as an example only because of their race nights and nothing more as I hope that they have a good relationship with the local council ) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadster Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Would this new 10 team Premiership be riding once at home and once away? Can't see a 9 meeting home season going down well but on the other hand the big guns that are supposedly wanting to ride over here always say they don't want too many meetings here. If the big guns do come back it will buck the trend which the BSPA seems to have established over the past few seasons of bringing the leagues closer together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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