PHILIPRISING Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Would this new 10 team Premiership be riding once at home and once away? Can't see a 9 meeting home season going down well but on the other hand the big guns that are supposedly wanting to ride over here always say they don't want too many meetings here. If the big guns do come back it will buck the trend which the BSPA seems to have established over the past few seasons of bringing the leagues closer together. TWO home and away ... tracks want more fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 I understand that some clubs have there own stadiums but taking Somerset as an example, they race night is Friday and a second been Wednesday both with a cut off time. I believe this cut off time was given to the club from the local council as part of the planning agreement. If this the case then a change of night will be a change of usage and then further planning consent will be required. We all know how some councils "just love speedway" and would use any way to put all sorts of restrictions on the local club. As I said in my first post please don't put clubs in a position where they have to go to the local council. ( I have used Somerset as an example only because of their race nights and nothing more as I hope that they have a good relationship with the local council ) You raise some good points and it certainly isn't as simple as just saying "right everyone, next year it's Mondays and Thursdays," hopefully the promoters have been prepared for this already, otherwise it might be riddled with snags for some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Not sure how the nights work out, but what about 1 league, split north and south with unlimited doubling up. Only spoiler is that it would be nice to have the playoffs between the geographical areas. Could end up with the same 7 riders riding for each team in the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Looking at this from a purely Redcar point of view it would be interesting to see what happens. Kev Keay has worked miracles this season. He earlier stated crowds were up 20% - and I would not be surprised to see this be even higher as crowds to the naked eye have seemed to continue to rise. Â We have used Friday as our off night for when Sheffield visit - home fans numbers definitely decline on a Friday night although Sheffield always bring a good support which helps balance that out. Cant see every team bringing that on a Friday to top the numbers up. Â And i can't see Redcar opting to move up to continue riding on a Thursday - we still have one of the smallest budgets in the CL and live within our means. I dare say a choice of moving racenight or one big league I would favour one big league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Looking at this from a purely Redcar point of view it would be interesting to see what happens. Kev Keay has worked miracles this season. He earlier stated crowds were up 20% - and I would not be surprised to see this be even higher as crowds to the naked eye have seemed to continue to rise. Â We have used Friday as our off night for when Sheffield visit - home fans numbers definitely decline on a Friday night although Sheffield always bring a good support which helps balance that out. Cant see every team bringing that on a Friday to top the numbers up. Â And i can't see Redcar opting to move up to continue riding on a Thursday - we still have one of the smallest budgets in the CL and live within our means. I dare say a choice of moving racenight or one big league I would favour one big league. Â In theory, Friday should be more accessible than Thursday due to the majority of people not having to go to work/school the following day. Do you think the declines compared to Thursdays is purely habit or are there other reasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Â In theory, Friday should be more accessible than Thursday due to the majority of people not having to go to work/school the following day. Do you think the declines compared to Thursdays is purely habit or are there other reasons? Â My guess is purely habit - as far back as I can remember Speedway night is Thursday night. I guess that if that night changed permanently the crowds may hold up once they get used to it but it's a leap into the unknown. Â I agree that in theory it should be more accessible - but hard to break that habit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 I MAY be wrong but I thought the idea of set race-nights wasn't necessarily about attracting the "top" riders back to the UK but, if two leagues remain, trying to ensure that there are no fixture clashes between Premiership and Championship sides. posted in "Fixed Race Nights For 2018 Posted 22 August 2017 - 05:18 PM There has been long running problems in British Speedway & Rome was not built in a day so what do we, the supporters, want to see & be achieved, over a period of time. Buster Chapman became Chairman at the AGM at the end of the 2015 season & said straight away it was too late to make changes until the AGM in Nov '16. Â As there was a steady drop of top riders over the years, they decided to bring in a 1 average system for the PL & CL, bring back the present race format & doing away with the EDR system at the same time, hoping to bring the racing & results closer. They brought in promotion/relegation although I don't think this was thought out enough because of the amount of riders doubling between the 2 leagues. Â Â Â What will fixed race nights achieve or what do we want them to achieve? Â Which nights to be used? .......These must be nights that do not interfere with the other leagues so Monday(used by Sky & now BT Sport) & Wednesday. Choosing 2 nights together like Wednesday & Thursday means teams from the CL would have to change nights which would cause a greater problem. Â Entice top riders back? .......What most are doing, because of the Polish ruling, is race on, almost, fixed race nights in 3 leagues in Poland, Sweden & Denmark. The few that are racing over here are doing so because they are based here(families, visa, etc) & to race more to be race sharp. Â Reduce the amount of doubling up/down of riders? ..........This is a point well raised on here because teams are getting to have no identity as riders(self employed) are riding for numerous teams in both leagues meaning the need of guests & r/r. Â Â The main points for me would be the 1st & 3rd options. There is a problem with fixture planning but teams have not helped each other by getting as many done as soon as possible & to ask other teams to help by rearrangement of their fixtures to assist others. Now there is a mad rush to get meeting in before a deadline date for play off positions. At this stage of the season, there should have been no reason for the KOC final not to have been raced. We know the weather has not been kind these last 2 years, so it has not helped, but let's help ourselves by trying a bit more to get meetings sorted. Â Â Â Â What are we trying to achieve by fixed race nights..........................................enticing top riders returning or trying to eliminate/minimize doubling up & guests. I think most people are after the latter so let us sort this issue first. Â As we are not sure about what will happen in Polish speedway where riders can only ride in 2 other leagues if they ride in the Polish Elite. They might extend this rule down to their 1st division, also. The Swedish league is struggling with talk of it going 1 league only. Trying to entice top riders back could be looked at for 2019 as we are only talking about half a dozen riders that might not be chasing the money but be after more racing on a variety of tracks or for family/visa issues. Â Â Â Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 HAVE you read posts 25 and 28? WHAT if two NL teams felt they could operate in the Championship? Hadn't, but have now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Jon cook announced at lakeside yesterday, that the hammers were reapplying to join the top flight next season. Would the crowds turn up in sufficient numbers at arena on a Monday or a Thursday, I have my doubts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Jon cook announced at lakeside yesterday, that the hammers were reapplying to join the top flight next season. Would the crowds turn up in sufficient numbers at arena on a Monday or a Thursday, I have my doubts. It looked embarrassingly empty when they last were in the 'top flight' but they must know how far they can stretch and they'll surely be aware of the 'fixed race night' likelihood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 I feel there are many problems for the UK with a set night/s ( Mondays @ Thursdays ). Stadium availability, having to ride on a night that may not be a popular night with the locals etc. Keeping our traditional nights, but having a squad system for the top league, could still attract some of the top stars and also end the curse of too many guests and RR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Need independent people to run the sport,here's Cook saying I help you out if I get a good deal,bunch of crooks the lot of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Â My guess is purely habit - as far back as I can remember Speedway night is Thursday night. I guess that if that night changed permanently the crowds may hold up once they get used to it but it's a leap into the unknown. Â I agree that in theory it should be more accessible - but hard to break that habit! So what do you suggest then.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondlil Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 can't see Newcastle being happy if they had to change from Sunday's to mondays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 can't see Newcastle being happy if they had to change from Sunday's to mondays Years ago Monday was their traditional race night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 can't see Newcastle being happy if they had to change from Sunday's to mondays ONLY Premiership tracks on a Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) . IMO something does need to be done with having set race nights BUT PLEASE PLEASE don't make it so teams must apply to any council for a change of race night as it only takes one person to object as happened in Hull ( Craven Park ) with the Air Horns getting banned. The person worked in the council building and knew who to get on side when they where discussed at a council meeting hence the ban!! Very interesting, I was told Preston Road residents were encouaged to complain in order for HCC to provided them with free double glazing. This apparently inlcuded propriators of the take away at the traffic lights with Marfleet Lane, who did very good buisness indeed on Wednesday nites. Thing is, I know people living 2 streets away from Craven Park, Stonebridge Avenue, and they mostly couldn't hear the speedway, indeed often they would ask me if the Vikings were even riding at home those weeks.... Edited September 4, 2017 by Martin Mauger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie21 Posted September 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 I have just seen the result of the Kent v Belle Vue meeting " abandoned after heat 13 ( curfew )" I take this as a planning restriction been placed by the local council ? Â Very interesting, I was told Preston Road residents were encouaged to complain in order for HCC to provided them with free double glazing. This apparently inlcuded propriators of the take away at the traffic lights with Marfleet Lane, who did very good buisness indeed on Wednesday nites. Thing is, I know people living 2 streets away from Craven Park, Stonebridge Avenue, and they mostly couldn't hear the speedway, indeed often they would ask me if the Vikings were even riding at home those weeks.... This may be what you were told but I know the person who did all the shouting to all the East Hull councillors and was very proud of getting the air horns banned !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Certainly if Championship meetings are Friday and Saturday they have the best deal re race nights.  Monday in the top league would mean  GP . sat Poland Sunday Uk Monday Sweden Tuesday !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondlil Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Not at Newcastle greyhound nights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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