SteveLyric2 Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 I don't think it matters who the crowd favourites are, a successful winning team will always bring the crowds in. A successful winning team will also bring the sponsors in - almost in spite of what the actual racing is like!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 I don't think it matters who the crowd favourites are, a successful winning team will always bring the crowds in. A successful winning team with better riders will bring bigger crowds in . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 A successful winning team with better riders will bring bigger crowds in . A successful winning team with mainly local riders who have come up through the ranks, who are committed to the team and who, injuries apart, are always there, will bring in even bigger crowds. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 SADLY averages don't allow for continuity of teams and destroys any chance of long term loyalty to and from the riders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 SADLY averages don't allow for continuity of teams and destroys any chance of long term loyalty to and from the ridersSo I'll give you a daft ideaIf you retain a rider from the previous season his team building average is cut by 0.25 to 0.5 if he goes elsewhere it remains as it's actual average. That would hopefully promote some loyalty from promoters and riders and keep fans and local sponsors happy 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 So I'll give you a daft idea If you retain a rider from the previous season his team building average is cut by 0.25 to 0.5 if he goes elsewhere it remains as it's actual average. That would hopefully promote some loyalty from promoters and riders and keep fans and local sponsors happy Were you in my local yesterday? I was voicing almost the same idea. And if I said it, it can't be daft 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 Most promoters are loyal to their riders from year to yesr!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Probably, 5,10 years ago, racing on specific night would have been a good idea, enabling the top riders to commit to an easier schedule. But its too late now. the top riders have all but gone. If we did change to say Monday and Thursdays, it wouldn't attract any of them TOP riders back, but would create plenty of problems for many respective clubs, Any new rule changes has to be of benefit for the fans. We want regular speedway, on a weekly basis; We want equal competitive teams providing close racing; We want teams of committed riders. We want more connection with both Club and Riders. we want the sport to get back to a level it once was.... What we don't want is: Long drawn out meetings; Teams made up of guests and R/R; Riders going missing, when riding for other clubs; Going 3 weeks without a meeting, then 3 meetings in a week; We don't want our season over by August... We don't want any secrets; and we don't want our league to be dictated by other countries... Simples!!!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Probably, 5,10 years ago, racing on specific night would have been a good idea, enabling the top riders to commit to an easier schedule. But its too late now. the top riders have all but gone. If we did change to say Monday and Thursdays, it wouldn't attract any of them TOP riders back, but would create plenty of problems for many respective clubs, Any new rule changes has to be of benefit for the fans. We want regular speedway, on a weekly basis; We want equal competitive teams providing close racing; We want teams of committed riders. We want more connection with both Club and Riders. we want the sport to get back to a level it once was.... What we don't want is: Long drawn out meetings; Teams made up of guests and R/R; Riders going missing, when riding for other clubs; Going 3 weeks without a meeting, then 3 meetings in a week; We don't want our season over by August... We don't want any secrets; and we don't want our league to be dictated by other countries... Simples!!!! YOU have just made the argument for set Premiership race-nights that do not clash with Championship fixtures. It is not all about attracting "the top" riders back to the UK but, for example, Robert Lambert not riding for KL when representing Newcastle or vice versa. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 YOU have just made the argument for set Premiership race-nights that do not clash with Championship fixtures. It is not all about attracting "the top" riders back to the UK but, for example, Robert Lambert not riding for KL when representing Newcastle or vice versa. That probably is the simplest way to avoid doubling up problems but there are of course other issues that would arise, would clubs who have to change their race night get smaller crowds as a consequence and what about clubs in the CL now racing on those nights who don't want to join the PL. It may be a sensible move for many reasons but it is a sticking plaster for doubling up problems, not a solution. A solution needs to stop riders other than British youngsters, who can use it as a career stepping stone, from racing for more than one team. Fans can then again have that feeling that a rider belongs to their team and is as committed to that team just as much as they are. Importantly, doubling up on the present scale must also stop in order to create more team places for new British riders. In tandem we must also address the other issues raised by GRW123 especially to sort out the fixtures, increase the number of meetings, which helps riders who lose the double up option and start to treat fans as valued customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 So really we want say Monday Wednesday for prem and say Thursday and sat for championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 So really we want say Monday Wednesday for prem and say Thursday and sat for championship. To save on travelling it would be far better to have two consecutive nights if we want weekly speedway, if we are are happy to have a meeting once a fortnight then two non consecutive nights could work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Looks like a 'Ive got all I can from British Speedway, up yours. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 YOU have just made the argument for set Premiership race-nights that do not clash with Championship fixtures. It is not all about attracting "the top" riders back to the UK but, for example, Robert Lambert not riding for KL when representing Newcastle or vice versa. On the contrary. The biggest single problem British speedway has, is the two leagues running in parallel with each other, both believing they are of equal status. When looking at the amount of D/U's operating in the leagues, it becomes impossible to arrange fixtures without clashes of some riders, hence the massive problem. Either we run one league, or else the top league has to have preference where clashes occur. We cannot continue with riders being pulled between 2 clubs... Being a pro-active person, I try to evaluate problems and try finding solutions. There are ways we can go forward, but time and space here doesn't allow me the opportunity to air my thoughts . But one quick thought we could reduce the number of leagues to 2 instead of 3. We have teams in the 3rd division way too strong for what the league was intended. We have teams in the 2nd division that could complete in the top league, So why not regroup to have 2 divisions one of 15 teams and the other of 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 So really we want say Monday Wednesday for prem and say Thursday and sat for championship. TWO days for the PL and the other FIVE for the CL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Looks like a 'Ive got all I can from British Speedway, up yours. No its not. Im not Doyles biggest fan but none of the top boys want to ride here when they can earn far more elsewhere. Entirely possible but we may only have Lindgren and Cook over here next season who still in the gp's. Poole fans think Magic will come back , why would a rider going for the world title next season ride here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 No its not. Im not Doyles biggest fan but none of the top boys want to ride here when they can earn far more elsewhere. Entirely possible but we may only have Lindgren and Cook over here next season who still in the gp's. Poole fans think Magic will come back , why would a rider going for the world title next season ride here? Cos he might be giving up Sweden. He has said it's Sweden or UK in the past, so if it's not Sweden.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Cos he might be giving up Sweden. He has said it's Sweden or UK in the past, so if it's not Sweden.... I would love to see Magic back over here. Personally i think its unlikely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tric trac Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 It should be fri and sat nights... If we want to get bigger crowds and have a future we need parents to bring their kids...that's how I got interested...more chance of that at the weekends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 I would love to see Magic back over here. Personally i think its unlikely It's probably wishful thinking, however it's the most likely it has been in last couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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