SteveLyric2 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Why not go with Monday and Wednesday as no Championship club has these night's as their designated race night. Could they not have held the Premiership riders Championship this Monday coming on BT Sport instead of holding it on a Saturday just before the Championship cut-off date (a night probably when the play-off contenders will be decided. It won't be Wednesdays as the BSPA have a good relationship with the Danes and more Wednesday fixtures would undoubtedly see fewer Danish riders over here!! It has to be Thursdays for the Premiership and with talk of 10-12 clubs then one must assume that the likes of Ipswich and Sheffield will step up - as they have both previously stated that they are keen to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 It won't be Wednesdays as the BSPA have a good relationship with the Danes and more Wednesday fixtures would undoubtedly see fewer Danish riders over here!! It has to be Thursdays for the Premiership and with talk of 10-12 clubs then one must assume that the likes of Ipswich and Sheffield will step up - as they have both previously stated that they are keen to do. None of the better Danes will be here anyway due to the bully boy tactics of the Polish dictatorship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 One meeting a fortnight isn't enough for most clubs. They need regular home meetings every week. 12 team league. Home and away twice. 22 meetings plus cup and playoffs. Can't be difficult surely? Mondays and Thursdays. ? Most clubs are having 1 home meeting every 3 weeks so having one every two weeks will be much better . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 ? Most clubs are having 1 home meeting every 3 weeks so having one every two weeks will be much better . Agree, have run out of likes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 ? Most clubs are having 1 home meeting every 3 weeks so having one every two weeks will be much better . Probably still end up having double headers in August tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 It's no good comparing us to Poland. They don't have the stadium issues we have for a start. Going to your landlord and asking for the stadium 7 times a year isn't going to be met with a favorable response. The Poles have got the best day of the week, apart from Saturday, boxed off. The minute they move away from a Sunday the crowds are cut in three. There's so many reasons why we can't get to Poland's level. Their league structure just fits in perfectly with the tiresome individual competitions which clutter up every weekend and meander on for round after pointless round. And Redcar. Agree. What makes people think the so called big names (many of whom won't ride like that over here) will ride here just because there's only two nights? And how much money will they want? What about the riders who depend on the high number of meetings and only ride in Britain. Or are we advocating some sort of super league and others will be force into the championship? 7 home meetings, no interest from me, or the stadium landlords. I say bye bye Jason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Hasn't fixed night speedway been talked about forever?? Why is it that it has never materialised before now if it is so easy to put into practise Whilst I think we all agree it would be beneficial to the sport over here, let's not have a knee jerk reaction because 1 rider "threatens" to walk away, it should be for the benefit of British Speedway, and indeed ease the DU/DD fiasco somewhat. If as has been stated Monday and Thursday is being muted, I think that probably answers the second part of my post. Only 1 PL side races on Thursday, but 3 CL sides do, potentially putting 3 clubs out of business is hardly benefitting British Speedway is it Also, unless I am very much mistaken, isn't Monday the rainoff day for Poland? What happens then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliss44 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 I tell you what, we'll run on Wednesday and Friday Mr Doyle can turn the light off as he leaves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 It won't be Wednesdays as the BSPA have a good relationship with the Danes and more Wednesday fixtures would undoubtedly see fewer Danish riders over here!! It has to be Thursdays for the Premiership and with talk of 10-12 clubs then one must assume that the likes of Ipswich and Sheffield will step up - as they have both previously stated that they are keen to do. I like that,been to many years since we've had a derby against our old fierce rivals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Probably still end up having double headers in August tho. Can't believe you put in a probably lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Mr Doyle can turn the light off as he leaves. No problem with that if we can't afford him, but if fixed race nights stops doubling up clashes it's got to be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliss44 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 No problem with that if we can't afford him, but if fixed race nights stops doubling up clashes it's got to be worth it. My comment didn't relate to fixed race nights (which is probably a good idea) it's the arrogance of him -- do as I say or not at all. He is doing himself no favours and joining in with the ''whinging'' brigade. I have Aussie speedway friends and have spent time over there watching speedway so please don't think I'm being biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starboy118 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 To be perfectly honest, this season has been the worse of any I can remember. What Jason Doyle would like in reality, is of no importance. I cannot remember a year when I have been less interested than of late. and the main reason for this is that the sport has been ruined with Guests, R/R and DU's. I cant remember the last match I went to where both teams were at full strength. With the exception of a handful of riders, both our leagues are of equal standard, each fighting the other for major importance. We haven't the numbers to run two leagues and the sooner this is sorted the sport will have a chance to improve.. Most of the Championship sides would easily compete with Premiership, which makes the two league idea a complete joke. Swindon has conquered all before them this year, and with the exception of Doyle most riders compete in the other division as well. Decisions have to be made to benefit the sport, so for that reason alone, we have to do away with DU's and run one major league only. One rider - One club.. Split it into North and South sections if necessary but not to run in competition against each other. To me this is more important than running on specific nights... Opinions will say the riders needs more meetings, I say they compete in too many meetings. We have riders at Lynn who are that busy that have problems fitting in Lynn fixtures... and when they do they're so tired they put up sub-standard performances That can't be any good for rider any or the fans .... Four paragraphs and I would like to briefly deal with each in turn. 1) Absolutely correct 2) Absolutely correct 3) Absolutely correct 4) Absolutely correct To summarise, I agree with everything you have said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Authorised Posted September 1, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Fixed race nights only serve one purpose. "Global" superstar riders. But do they really put more people on the gate?? If Doyle was appearing at Edinburgh or Glasgow, could I get friends who have been once a year to go and see him win by half a lap? No. Monday and Thursdays are all fine and well, if you are self employed or retired, or a Polish or Swedish speedway fan. It is no good if you work 9-6 all days or have a young family. I have followed the sport for nearly 40 years and this will be the first season with less than double figure meeting attendances and I have to be honest, I don´t miss it as much as I thought I would. If you have a home meeting every other week, and then throw in a rain off or two, people will find better things to do. Fixed nights on Monday or Thursdays may make riders unaffordable. I would much rather see 4 riders competing closely, and socialising with fans post meeting or doing local promotion activity - at whatever level, than a big shot, tweeting from the airport, off to go and earn another quick buck. As other sports look to "stretch their playing week", be it Rugby League on Thurs to Sunday, Rugby Union from Fri to Sun, or Football all 7 days.....it amuses me that a sport was there before all of them in being a 7 day sport. You could take in a couple of tracks a week from the Midlands if you wanted, and there is nothing like an intensity of a consecutive night Cup Final (Glasgow, Edinburgh), or a 2 fixture Easter Monday (Cradley, Coventry). The sport will lose something special, but it has lost a lot over the years. I wonder how much of the crowd drops are due to fans "doubling up" at multiple tracks during the summer months, and now, not. As anyone in marketing will tell you, it costs a lot more to get a "new" fan than to retain your existing one. I was first on the forum in 06-07, when I called for an independent BSPA. The Sport has since struggled through decision making with no real back up or research. Matt Ford once called for less meetings similar to Poland, and then during the winter, called for more! I believe Speedway should have the intensity of a 7 day sport, low gate prices and lots of racing.....similar to say, NBA. It would probably be directly employed riders only, but if you also got them doing promotional work, it can suceed. If that means losing the last couple of GP riders, then so what? British Speedway needs to prioritise it´s needs over that of the GP or Monster Energy. If BSPA were a promotional and marketing body, they would ask, "What do fans want", not "What do riders want to fit into Swedish and Polish schedules". 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzAssStar Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 But if their was less fixtures then promoters wouldn't be paying as much on rider wages. ................. and would also have less income with which to pay the subsequent inflated demands of those riders trying to achieve the same level of income from fewer meetings ............ DOH ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chun Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 6 riders per team maintaining 2 reserves over 13 heats, north and south divisions qualifying into national playoffs might be the way forward. Currently losing interest in the 2nd half of the meeting due to the understrength teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 6 riders per team maintaining 2 reserves over 13 heats, north and south divisions qualifying into national playoffs might be the way forward. Currently losing interest in the 2nd half of the meeting due to the understrength teams. How much to get in?? Less races, less value for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 If BSPA were a promotional and marketing body, they would ask, "What do fans want", not "What do riders want to fit into Swedish and Polish schedules". Post of the year! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 JC do you not think we need to wrestle the sport back from riders dictating direction? Understand they are important but they have to realise if they drive enough supporters and promoters away, there will be no speedway for their over inflated egos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) Fixed race nights only serve one purpose. "Global" superstar riders. But do they really put more people on the gate?? If Doyle was appearing at Edinburgh or Glasgow, could I get friends who have been once a year to go and see him win by half a lap? No. Monday and Thursdays are all fine and well, if you are self employed or retired, or a Polish or Swedish speedway fan. It is no good if you work 9-6 all days or have a young family. I have followed the sport for nearly 40 years and this will be the first season with less than double figure meeting attendances and I have to be honest, I don´t miss it as much as I thought I would. If you have a home meeting every other week, and then throw in a rain off or two, people will find better things to do. Fixed nights on Monday or Thursdays may make riders unaffordable. I would much rather see 4 riders competing closely, and socialising with fans post meeting or doing local promotion activity - at whatever level, than a big shot, tweeting from the airport, off to go and earn another quick buck. As other sports look to "stretch their playing week", be it Rugby League on Thurs to Sunday, Rugby Union from Fri to Sun, or Football all 7 days.....it amuses me that a sport was there before all of them in being a 7 day sport. You could take in a couple of tracks a week from the Midlands if you wanted, and there is nothing like an intensity of a consecutive night Cup Final (Glasgow, Edinburgh), or a 2 fixture Easter Monday (Cradley, Coventry). The sport will lose something special, but it has lost a lot over the years. I wonder how much of the crowd drops are due to fans "doubling up" at multiple tracks during the summer months, and now, not. As anyone in marketing will tell you, it costs a lot more to get a "new" fan than to retain your existing one. I was first on the forum in 06-07, when I called for an independent BSPA. The Sport has since struggled through decision making with no real back up or research. Matt Ford once called for less meetings similar to Poland, and then during the winter, called for more! I believe Speedway should have the intensity of a 7 day sport, low gate prices and lots of racing.....similar to say, NBA. It would probably be directly employed riders only, but if you also got them doing promotional work, it can suceed. If that means losing the last couple of GP riders, then so what? British Speedway needs to prioritise it´s needs over that of the GP or Monster Energy. If BSPA were a promotional and marketing body, they would ask, "What do fans want", not "What do riders want to fit into Swedish and Polish schedules". Spot on... Great Post... Classic example of a lack of promoting and marketing is this week at BV.. Due to all the issues getting fixtures planned they ran with two meetings in three days.. The result? Riders missing meaning Two 'Guestfests' and two poor crowds... You could say a blind man could see it was always going to be thus... However someone with Promoting and Marketing capability definitely would have forseen the resultant loss of revenue and would have taken steps to prevent or at least minimise any loss.. Maybe linking the two meetings under a discount ticket for Adults and, as it's the last week of the kids holidays, maybe let U18's in for free would have delivered two decent crowds? ... I attended neither due to the 'Mickey Mouse' nature of both meetings, however if me an my 14 year old lad had got in for say £25 in total for both matches I am sure to get my 'Speedway fix' I would have gone along and simply sat back and watched the racing not caring who actually won given the make up of the teams. BV would recieve less than 'Full Price' maybe but much better than the zero income they did recieve from me. (And they would also have got us both on both nights visiting the food and drink outlets).. We have attended the Colts this year far more than the Premiership matches with that simple view of (no disrespect intended) "its only the Colts so just watch the racing". And for a tenner in total for the two if us its truly great value.. Unfortunately you shoudn't have to view the Premiership (the top level of racing in this Country) the same way when you are paying far, far more for the privilege.. Deliver a consistent fixture list on nights that delivers the best crowd and you give yourself half a chance of being succesful. Ensure each meeting has credibility and integrity and you increase your chances of success several fold.. If World Class riders can be there EVERY meeting too then great. If not, so be it... Edited September 2, 2017 by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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